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French mayor faces €1,800 fine after implying that the ethnic French population is being “replaced.”

A far-right French mayor has appeared in court on charges of inciting hatred for his remarks last year, in which he said that there were too many Muslim children at the schools in his city, and implied that the ethnic French population is being “replaced.”

Robert Menard, mayor of the southern town of Béziers and an ally of Marine Le Pen’s anti-immigration and Eurosceptic National Front party, appeared before Paris Criminal Court on Wednesday for the launch of his trial for incitement of hatred, in relation to two statements he made in 2016.

“In a class in the city center of in my town, 91 percent of the children are Muslims. Obviously, this is a problem,” he said in an interview on the French news channel LCI in September.

“There are limits to tolerance.”

In the same month on the first day of school, Menard also wrote a tweet, saying: “These classes represent the most striking proof of the #GreatReplacement in progress. Just look at old class photos.” The Great Replacement is a phrase coined by French writer Renaud Camus, referring to a hypothetical replacement of the ethnic French population in France with immigrants from the former colonies. Camus was convicted and fined for inciting hatred in 2014.

If found guilty, Menard faces a €1,800 fine to be payable within 60 days, and will face a prison term if he refuses to pay up.

In support of the request for punishment, the prosecutor argued that by allowing such a remark the mayor portrayed children as a “burden for the national community.”

“He reduced them to their religion, regardless of whether they are French nationals or do not practice this religion,” the prosecutor said, as cited by AFP.

Meanwhile, Menard has not appeared to show any remorse at the trial, saying that with his controversial rhetoric on the highly debatable topic he did not want to “stigmatize” anybody but aimed to paint a real picture of what is going on in the French schools.

https://www.rt.com/news/379919-french-mayor-muslim-children-trial/


"Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
“The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
"If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer

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  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    So even if what he said eventually were to be proven to be right, he's still in the wrong.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    I'm curious: since he seems like an older gentleman, I wonder what his thoughts on the subject were when France was occupying Algeria and other parts of Africa? After all, that's where many of these people came from. In fact, French troops are still inside Africa doing things that they probably wouldn't want to speak too loudly about.
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  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator
    This is the stuff civil up-rising is made of...For once france, try not surrendering and sticking up for yourselves 
    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    France occupying Algeria and invading other countries does not give people the right to act like thugs in society or criminals, wars go back hundreds of years and the blame can not lay with a whole nation for the actions of their government.

    Same goes for Terror, you can not blame every muslim for the actions of the fanatical, but what this mayor is getting at is something that will not be discussed in public, in fear of been branded far right, fascist or a racist.

    You all speak of integration.. well, fantastic if it works.. but if it is working, why are there many no go areas in Europe?.. 

    There are many schools in Europe which have over 90% non nationals, and this does not only affect the national residents but has also created problems in the muslim communities, as many of these schools are now controlled by person who do not 100% agree with the western values which they are living in.

    There have been many reports of not just national women but muslim women as well (who choose not to wear a Hijab) are criticized and bullied when they bring their children to school, to the extend where they feel no other choice but to remove the child from the school.

    Schools are inspected and graded and if a for example Christian school has too many "nationals & Christians", they could have the best scores on record, they will still get downgraded for not being diverse enough.. so why is this not the same for those schools who barely manage to get 2 - 10% students whose first language is the language of the country the school is based in?.. 

    This behavior increased and is still increasing among the Turkish community in Europe, as they see who is loyal to Erdogan.


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Just a few weeks ago, there was a reporter who went to an area in the UK, to find out why there has been a huge drop in nationals living in the area, apart from maybe two families left, the area has turned into a muslim community, were many of the women do not speak English, and are not allowed to.

    The reporter spoke with some residents, asking them why no British nationals live in the area, one of them said not sure..

    So she asked him, do they have something to be afraid off?

    He said no, nothing, unless of course they $&^*( us off, then we kick their heads in..

    of course, you can blame his attitude on wars, invasions etc.. but he spoke with a better British accent then most, so most likely was born in the UK, was wearing designer clothes, so no hardship there.. but made it very clear that the area belonged to the Muslim community.. so where is the integration Europe keeps harping on about?

    it is not like this is new, they have been at it for 60+ years.. surely there comes a time where people say, enough is enough, despite what the politicians are telling us, this is not working! 
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Certainly, it doesn't give them the right to act poorly, but it seems that the attitude in Europe is one where the world went to bed one night and then the next morning suddenly brown people were everywhere tearing up the place while all the white people were busy curing cancer and reading their bibles, which is absolute nonsense.

    Again, it doesn't give them the right to act poorly, but it certainly gives them a reason, a causal factor detached from any imposed morality lesson.

    That french politician is part of the problem. "The french are being replaced." So, was he concerned about people being replaced when the french were colonizing Algeria and kicking Algerians out of their homes and murdering them left and right? Is he concerned that the past 50 years of European involvement in Africa has created cultures so unstable that people have no choice except to take on a dog-eat-dog mentality or perish? Has he for a single moment considered that the actions of his country is fueling a culture that produces people who know only poverty, war, instability and destruction, and act accordingly?

    Why on earth would any of these people integrate? White Europeans hate even the best among them. Employers don't want them. The media makes up all sorts of fake stories about their supposed crimes. The politicians view them as serfs who are good for either working in the mines to increase European wealth, or as votes. Why on earth would anyone coming to Europe do anything aside from pursue a self-serving agenda?

    I don't blame them one bit. If I experienced what they have their entire lives, I'd do the same thing. I'd scrimp for a ticket, grab every goody I could before it ran out, and then burn the place down in the end. It's literally the exact same thing Western countries have been doing to the rest of the world for the past 500 years. But now white Europeans are suddenly paragons of virtue? I don't think so. At least, not while the bombs are still dropping.

    This connection between Western behaviour and people from self-described islamic parts of the world absolutely matters. People can pretend it doesn't. People can pretend that they believe that "all muslims aren't the problem, just a few", but until the West stops perpetuating the precise environment that produces the behaviour we so loathe, anyone who complains like this french guy sounds completely out of touch with reality, and to be honest, a tad selfish to boot. 

    We just can't keep kicking the sleeping dog and not expect that one day we'll be bitten.
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  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads
    I'm curious: since he seems like an older gentleman, I wonder what his thoughts on the subject were when France was occupying Algeria and other parts of Africa? After all, that's where many of these people came from. In fact, French troops are still inside Africa doing things that they probably wouldn't want to speak too loudly about.


    History bites two ways.  One has to wonder how the French and Germans felt when Muslim armies were slaughtering across Northern Africa, the Middle East and half of Europe. 

    How far back should we go to justify our actions today.  Remember, the Crusades didn't start because a bunch of guys got together and decided to go looking for adventure.  The crusades were a response to over 400 years of atrocities committed against the Europeans, by Muslim invaders.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    edited March 9
    tazweiss said:
    I'm curious: since he seems like an older gentleman, I wonder what his thoughts on the subject were when France was occupying Algeria and other parts of Africa? After all, that's where many of these people came from. In fact, French troops are still inside Africa doing things that they probably wouldn't want to speak too loudly about.


    History bites two ways.  One has to wonder how the French and Germans felt when Muslim armies were slaughtering across Northern Africa, the Middle East and half of Europe. 

    How far back should we go to justify our actions today.  Remember, the Crusades didn't start because a bunch of guys got together and decided to go looking for adventure.  The crusades were a response to over 400 years of atrocities committed against the Europeans, by Muslim invaders.

    This isn't true, and is a myth perpetuated by the West so that when people revisit the Crusades, it looks like some glorious campaign of righteousness aimed at pouring light into a darkened world. What was going on in the islamic world at that time was no different or less offensive than what was going on in Europe or elsewhere. The pope had a lot of idle, angry men on his hands and there was a quick way to get rid of them.

    Anyone can verify this simply by taking a look at what the crusaders did even before they reached the Holy Lands: they killed zillions of fellow Christian Europeans, pillaged, and destroyed everything before they even entered into battle. They were honestly some pretty sick people. No one should ever take pride in what they did.

    Also, take a look at what happened when Jerusalem changed hands. Take a look at what the Christians did to the occupants there (consisting of other Christians and Jews, not just muslims), compared to how Saladin treated those there of different religions. Check out the movie "Kingdom of Heaven" - it's incredibly interesting, and much of it is historically accurate (not to mention it's just a great movie that I'd like to recommend).

    But the rest offers a good point that I always try to stress: when violence is met by more violence, it's a perpetuating cycle. Where's that islamic empire today? No where. It was shattered in a million pieces by corruption, evil and violence. It completely rejected Muhammed's teachings, and by shunning the Quran it paved itself over.

    Now, the question is raised: "How far do we go back"? That's my point: we don't have to go back at all. This is happening right now. Every single time Africa begins to right itself, such as through Gaddafi's programs, Europe destroys that effort. Right now. Not yesterday. Not 10 years ago. Right now. Right now, French armies are raping and shooting their way through Africa. Right now, Western armies are crawling all over the Middle East. Right now. What boggles me is that Europe is confused by all this and has the audacity to say, "How dare they burn down a school! How rude!"

    I don't even need to evoke history, because there's so much barbarity going on at this very moment that there's plenty to go around.

    TL;DR version for everyone:

    This behaviour is bad, but there is a source of it. If we want to eradicate the bad behaviour, we might achieve more success by actually tackling some of it sources. If the world just complains about the symptoms, they'll probably never go away. Maybe they'll even get worse.
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  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads
    edited March 10

    The Crusades began:

    457 years after Jerusalem was conquered.

    443 years after the Muslim armies plundered Italy.

    427 years after the Muslim invasion of Constantinople.

    380 years after Muslim armies invaded and conquered Spain.

    363 years after Muslim armies invaded France.

    240 years after Muslim armies sacked Rome.

    In all of those cases, Christian churches were burned and Christians were slaughtered.  Any Christians who weren't killed were given the choice.  Convert or die.  Even then, many where forced into slavery. 

    As a side note, at the time the Muslim armies laid siege to Constantinople, it was the center of Christianity.  Some 200 years later, when they plundered Rome, it was considered the center of Christianity at the time.

    Perhaps what is happening in the Middle East now, is the western world trying to finish the job the Crusaders started.  Or perhaps, the best thing is to try leaving history out of it and deal with the here and now.  After all, everyone has skeletons.


    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads
    When researching atrocities committed by religion, two religions stood out as being the most violent.  Christianity is credited with being responsible for up to 15 million dead during it's history.  Islam is responsible for up to 19 million deaths during it's history.  Both live in glass houses.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    But even if we eliminate the question of historical impetus and the debate surrounding it, it still doesn't get rid of the fundamental truth that the West is primarily responsible for dropping all the bombs, overthrowing all the governments, and fostering a culture of near-constant instability that disallows any sort of safe, prosperous environment to develop that naturally produces people who disincline from the kind of activities Westerners are making so much noise about - in the here and now.

    We put down people while simultaneously taking away from them everything that could turn them into what we could tolerate between bites of our croissants, and then complain that it's all their fault. It's just insincere, not to mention unjust and immoral, and ultimately self-defeating because the ramification of our behaviour towards other nations is slowly going to eat away at our own societies until everything collapses together.


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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads
    But even if we eliminate the question of historical impetus and the debate surrounding it, it still doesn't get rid of the fundamental truth that the West is primarily responsible for dropping all the bombs, overthrowing all the governments, and fostering a culture of near-constant instability that disallows any sort of safe, prosperous environment to develop that naturally produces people who disincline from the kind of activities Westerners are making so much noise about - in the here and now.

    We put down people while simultaneously taking away from them everything that could turn them into what we could tolerate between bites of our croissants, and then complain that it's all their fault. It's just insincere, not to mention unjust and immoral, and ultimately self-defeating because the ramification of our behaviour towards other nations is slowly going to eat away at our own societies until everything collapses together.



    In that, I agree.  Unfortunately, both sides will continue to blame each other and the self-destructive nature of humanity won't let us agree to sit back, take a breather and rethink where we're heading.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    tazweiss said:
    But even if we eliminate the question of historical impetus and the debate surrounding it, it still doesn't get rid of the fundamental truth that the West is primarily responsible for dropping all the bombs, overthrowing all the governments, and fostering a culture of near-constant instability that disallows any sort of safe, prosperous environment to develop that naturally produces people who disincline from the kind of activities Westerners are making so much noise about - in the here and now.

    We put down people while simultaneously taking away from them everything that could turn them into what we could tolerate between bites of our croissants, and then complain that it's all their fault. It's just insincere, not to mention unjust and immoral, and ultimately self-defeating because the ramification of our behaviour towards other nations is slowly going to eat away at our own societies until everything collapses together.



    In that, I agree.  Unfortunately, both sides will continue to blame each other and the self-destructive nature of humanity won't let us agree to sit back, take a breather and rethink where we're heading.
    Congratulations. You've just become supreme commander of the world.

    If you had a list of five actions to rebalance the world situation, what would you do (if you could do absolutely anything) and why would you do them?
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  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads

    1:  Disband all militaries and dismantle all national armories.  A global humanitarian and police force.  Invest the extra monies in food and shelter production.

    2:  Ban all chemical farming and GMO foods.

    3:  Shut down all uranium based nuclear power and invest in alternative energy.

    4:  Invest in real education and in the sciences.

    5:  The victims and victims families of violent crime would be given the choice of punishment for the perpetrators.  They must be the ones who administer the punishment.

    Most of the things I've mentioned should be self explanatory and a couple could need deeper explanations. 

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    edited March 10
    All war, and industries reliant on the dogs of  war detract from health, education and food sources for the global population.  War is looked at as being Christians and Muslims pitted against each other for the sake of religion.   In fact war is a business with a budget and with endless suppliers from the food, clothing, transport, technological, housing and weaponry industries and it suits the global elite to pit Muslims and Christians against each other. In fact lots of people that inadvertently involved aren't either true Christians or Muslims or if they are have no interest in hurting or conquering their fellow man  and may well be Hindus, Buddhists and so on. If the corporations that comprise those businesses providing the war machine  all lost their contracts today the world economy would implode and that in in itself would cause civil uprisings with neighbour against neighbour and country against country probably with equally undesirable outcomes.   No one has more potential to be  more dangerous to his fellow man than someone who is starving or likely to die of thirst and without the means to obtain them.  In other words refugees/immigrants are deliberately being directed to various countries to cause disruption (without placing blame on the original residents or the newcomers) and it's succeeding admirably for those directing the exercise. 

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    All war, and industries reliant on the dogs of  war detract from health, education and food sources for the global population.  War is looked at as being Christians and Muslims pitted against each other for the sake of religion.   In fact war is a business with a budget and with endless suppliers from the food, clothing, transport, technological, housing and weaponry industries and it suits the global elite to pit Muslims and Christians against each other. In fact lots of people that inadvertently involved aren't either true Christians or Muslims or if they are have no interest in hurting or conquering their fellow man  and may well be Hindus, Buddhists and so on. If the corporations that comprise those businesses providing the war machine  all lost their contracts today the world economy would implode and that in in itself would cause civil uprisings with neighbour against neighbour and country against country probably with equally undesirable outcomes.   No one has more potential to be  more dangerous to his fellow man than someone who is starving or likely to die of thirst and without the means to obtain them.  In other words refugees/immigrants are deliberately being directed to various countries to cause disruption (without placing blame on the original residents or the newcomers) and it's succeeding admirably for those directing the exercise. 
    / thread

    This is basically the crux of it all when it comes down to it.
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