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South Africa taxis block roads to OR Tambo airport in Uber protest

RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads

South Africa taxis block roads to OR Tambo airport in Uber protest

Mar. 11, 2017, 9:00 am
By REUTERS
from The Star.co Kenya
Uber drivers gather outside the companys offices in Parktown a suburb of Johannesburg South Africa March 10 2017 REUTERS
Uber drivers gather outside the company's offices in Parktown, a suburb of Johannesburg, South Africa, March 10, 2017. /REUTERS

South African taxi drivers blocked roads to Johannesburg's airport on Friday, holding up thousands of travellers in the latest protest against ride-hailing app Uber.

Uber Technologies' service has triggered protests by taxi drivers from London to Hungary and New Delhi as it upends traditional business models that require professional drivers to pay steep licensing fees to drive cabs.

Hundreds of drivers blocked the main highway to Africa's busiest airport, O.R. Tambo International, causing long traffic jams on Friday.

"Uber is illegal," Reuben Mzayiya, a spokesman for the metered taxi business in Gauteng province, told broadcaster 702 Talk Radio.

"If you want to operate, you must register with the department of transport and fulfill all the requirements. Uber doesn't do all those things. It just operates a parallel structure with a fraction of what we are charging."

Read: Protesting Uber drivers go rogue, pour oil on car seats, co-workers

http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/03/11/south-africa-taxis-block-roads-to-or-tambo-airport-in-uber-protest_c1522723

"We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

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  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads
    That's the nature of capitalism.  The more competitive you are, the more business you get.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    edited March 12
    How does one compete with machines that can do whatever we do 100x as efficiently at 1% the total cost of human labour?

    Besides that, how does the average man or woman scraping by driving a taxi compete with a giant corporation like Uber that operates at a loss on purpose (its investors subsidize rider fees so they undercut taxi fees) in order to create a monolithic network?

    Where do we draw the line between normal competition, and ruthless extermination of the few avenues left for the ordinary man and woman to exercise their tiny amounts of labour capital?

    If people are so economically imprisoned that they can't even get a job like driving taxis without getting the corporate whipping rod, there are going to be a lot of beat up (or even dead) Uber drivers on the side of the road, and a lot of burnt out Uber vehicles. This will get even worse if the Uber fleet becomes driverless. 
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads
    Somebody once said that every decision has its consequences.  People tout the virtues of automation.  They happily enjoy the convenience of dealing with a computer rather than talking to an actual cashier at the newest MacDonalds or Wendy's.  It never occurs to them that these decisions have real consequences for real people.  None of us can take the moral high ground on this.  We've all used an ATM, rather than go into the bank and deal with a real live teller.  We have all made use of some kind of automation that was once done by a real living person.  A person who lost that job because of the automation.  Taxi drivers aren't the first to feel the sting of this brave new world and they won't be the last.  As a people, we have stood by and let the competition overwhelm us and for the most part, however small, we have participated in it.  We have made the decisions and now we want to cry about the consequences.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    To me at least, the problem isn't even really the automation or the robots, but the fact we live in a society where for some reason it's alright for a few people to have everything while the rest have little, sometimes even nothing, and cooperation and the common heritage of mankind is eschewed. If we could only employ this technology for the benefit for everyone, rather than for a few, I think things could be a lot different, and surely better. God certainly didn't place machines into our hands so that ten guys chomping cigars in a board room could monopolize their usage.

    But then again, we all willingly participate in a failing economic model, and so the notion that we reap the consequences of our choices still rings true. Hopefully some new ideas will surface before change invites itself upon us in ways of its own choosing.
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads

    In many cases, those who have everything, do so because they innovated and we were enamoured.  If the creators of the PC hadn't found a ready and willing market, we wouldn't have Bill Gates.  If we hadn't been so starry eyed about the internet, we wouldn't have google. 

    God didn't give us the ability to invent just so some guys could monopolize everything.  We did it to ourselves.  We had to have the latest and greatest.  We had to keep up with the Jones.  We are the ones who drive the consumer market.

    The economic model, the failing economic model, is our creation.  It's one we willingly participated in, to the point where we no longer have a real choice in the matter.  At this point there are few ways of getting out of it.  Off hand, I can only think of two.  Neither of which is pleasant.  1) An economic collapse.  Which would more than likely mean hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions in North America alone, may starve.  2) Go to a cashless system in which absolutely every aspect of our lives could be dictated by the elite.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    edited March 12
    People think of Uber as the little guy who sprung up out of nowhere. In fact they were big enough to spring up out of 35 cities globally in 2013.  The clever part was getting "the little guys" to be drivers.  Once Uber completes the goal of driverless Uber taxis "the little guys" might be out on the street.   Thinking replacement of truck drivers, train drivers and  driving our own private vehicles probably isn't uber the top.

    Uber (company)

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    For other uses, see Uber.
    Uber Technologies Inc.
    Uber logosvg
    Formerly called
    UberCab (2009–2011)
    Privately held company
    Industry Transportation, delivery
    Founded March 2009; 8 years ago
    Founders Travis Kalanick
    Garrett Camp
    Headquarters San Francisco, United States
    Area served
    Worldwide, 528 cities[1]
    Key people
    Travis Kalanick (CEO)
    Thuan Pham (CTO)
    Ryan Graves (COO)
    Services Taxicab, vehicle for hire, meal delivery, parcel delivery
    Revenue Increase $5.5 billion[2]
    Decrease −US$3.0 billion (2016)[2]
    Number of employees
    6,700[3]
    Website uber.com

    Uber Technologies Inc. is an online transportation network company headquartered in San Francisco, California, with operations in 528 cities worldwide. It develops, markets and operates the Uber software application, which allows consumers to request car transportation or food delivery via the Uber mobile app or the Uber mobile website. It also allows drivers to earn income from delivering food or transporting passengers. Uber drivers use their own personal cars,[4][5] although drivers can rent a car to drive with Uber.[6]

    Uber has been a pioneer in the sharing economy and the changes in industries as a result of the sharing economy has been referred to as "Uberification" or "Uberisation".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uber_(company)

    The old Sunday drive with a picnic in the country  or at the beach might be a thing of the past.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    "Uberfication" lol
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    edited March 12
    I believe that trading carbon credits is more than just about compensating for reduction in the use of fossil fuels.  Thoughts are that purchase of carbon credits gives corporations the right to pollute to the value of the credits whereas back in the 70's and 80's pollution emissions were rewarded with a steep fine.  If as below carbon credits equal one tonne of carbon dioxide (waste gases or pollution)   which is then traded not only are we purchasing something worthless and dangerous.  These purchases would appear to do nothing for the environment unless the money's invested in enormous vacuum cleaners which then use more energy to transform the waste into something else.

    Quote:
    One carbon credit is equal to one tonne of carbon dioxide, or in some markets, carbon dioxide equivalent gases. Carbon trading is an application of an emissions trading approach. ... Buyers and sellers can also use an exchange platform to trade, which is like a stock exchange for carbon credits.
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    and

    Carbon credit

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This article is about carbon credits for international trading. For carbon credits for individuals, see personal carbon trading. For voluntary schemes, see carbon offset
    carbon credit is a generic term for any tradable certificate or permit representing the right to emit one
    tonne of carbon dioxide or the mass of another greenhouse gas with a carbon dioxide equivalent (tCO2e) equivalent to one tonne of carbon dioxide.[1][2][3]

    Carbon credits and carbon markets are a component of national and international attempts to mitigate the growth in concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHGs). One carbon credit is equal to one tonne of carbon dioxide, or in some markets, carbon dioxide equivalent gases. Carbon trading is an application of an emissions trading approach. Greenhouse gas emissions are capped and then markets are used to allocate the emissions among the group of regulated sources.

    The goal is to allow market mechanisms to drive industrial and commercial processes in the direction of low emissions or less carbon intensive approaches than those used when there is no cost to emitting carbon dioxide and other GHGs into the atmosphere. Since GHG mitigation projects generate credits, this approach can be used to finance carbon reduction schemes between trading partners and around the world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_credit

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    It's indeed strange that people are "trading" and associating value to something that's supposedly ruining our environment
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  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    It's indeed strange that people are "trading" and associating value to something that's supposedly ruining our environment
    If value can be attributed to something intangible other than as a gas or an odour or waste that damages our planet, what value can truly be attributed to the digits that are traded representing stocks and shares, or money.  What is digital money other than a series of 0's and 1's stored on a hard drive.  Is gold really anything of value other than we attribute worth to it?  You can't shave a bit off an ingot and buy groceries.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

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