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Burka ban in workplace IS legal - EU court rules it is NOT discrimination

A TOP EU court says employers can ban workers from wearing an Islamic headscarf in a ruling allowing bosses to stop employees from wearing visible religious symbols.

The European Court of Justice ruled on the cases of two female employees in Belgium and in France, who were dismissed for refusing to remove their headscarves, a day before a Dutch parliamentary election dominated by the issue of immigration and integration.

Employers may bar staff from wearing visible religious symbols, the court ruled. 

The court, based in Luxembourg, said a workplace ban “does not constitute direct discrimination”. 

The ECJ said in a statement: "An internal rule of an undertaking which prohibits the visible wearing of any political, philosophical or religious sign does not constitute direct discrimination


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/778892/eu-court-ban-hijab-burka-islamic-headscarf-visible-religious-symbols



"Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
“The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
"If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer

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  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    This just goes to show how people have outsourced their thinking to their governments, or to others in general:

    (1) A burka is not a headscarf. A hijab, a simple scarf worn on the head atop the hair, is not the same as a burka, which is what women are forced to wear in Afghanistan.

    (2) Muslims are being used to as a tool to suppress the freedom of all people: don't people realize that this law actually forbids wearing a cross around the neck in the workplace as well? (I bet it doesn't forbid Jewish things though)
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    And as far as I'm concerned, not allowing someone to wear a headscarf, which looks nice and tidy, and which isn't hurting anyone, is absolutely discrimination, and I don't know how it could be argued otherwise.

    Can one imagine if Jews were told to remove their skull caps? Mankind would grow deaf from all the shouting.
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    A quick visual reference:



    (And one should note that neither are found in the Quran, and are cultural inventions)
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    This just goes to show how people have outsourced their thinking to their governments, or to others in general:

    (1) A burka is not a headscarf. A hijab, a simple scarf worn on the head atop the hair, is not the same as a burka, which is what women are forced to wear in Afghanistan.

    (2) Muslims are being used to as a tool to suppress the freedom of all people: don't people realize that this law actually forbids wearing a cross around the neck in the workplace as well? (I bet it doesn't forbid Jewish things though)
    You will find that there has been an ongoing dispute for the past several years now in Europe, as several people have been ordered to remove their cross or other items or face the sack from their employment.

    They have taken their companies to court because Hijab was allowed but not their cross because it could offend. but these people did not get the courts backing
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    2012: Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government

    Christians do not have a right to wear a cross or crucifix openly at work, the Government is to argue in a landmark court case.

    In a highly significant move, ministers will fight a case at the European Court of Human Rights in which two British women will seek to establish their right to display the cross.

    It is the first time that the Government has been forced to state whether it backs the right of Christians to wear the symbol at work.

    A document seen by The Sunday Telegraph discloses that ministers will argue that because it is not a “requirement” of the Christian faith, employers can ban the wearing of the cross and sack workers who insist on doing so.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9136191/Christians-have-no-right-to-wear-cross-at-work-says-Government.html

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    This just goes to show how people have outsourced their thinking to their governments, or to others in general:

    (1) A burka is not a headscarf. A hijab, a simple scarf worn on the head atop the hair, is not the same as a burka, which is what women are forced to wear in Afghanistan.

    (2) Muslims are being used to as a tool to suppress the freedom of all people: don't people realize that this law actually forbids wearing a cross around the neck in the workplace as well? (I bet it doesn't forbid Jewish things though)
    You will find that there has been an ongoing dispute for the past several years now in Europe, as several people have been ordered to remove their cross or other items or face the sack from their employment.

    They have taken their companies to court because Hijab was allowed but not their cross because it could offend. but these people did not get the courts backing
    Seems I was wrong. someone won their case in 2013

    Christian not allowed to wear cross ‘was discriminated against’ European court rules

    A CHRISTIAN woman sent home from her British Airways job for wearing a cross
    celebrated a landmark ruling in her favour yesterday by shouting: “Thank you
    Jesus!”

    Nadia Eweida was thrilled after the European Court of Human Rights agreed she
    suffered religious discrimination.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/417782/christian-not-allowed-to-wear-cross-was-discriminated-against-european-court-rules/
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Back in 2010, she lost her appeal

    Christian British Airways employee sent home for wearing cross loses appeal over religious discrimination

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250459/Christian-British-Airways-employee-sent-home-wearing-cross-loses-appeal-religious-discrimination.html
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    What these people are doing is attempting to replace religions with a new secular ideology, whose churches (EU government entities) and whose priests (unelected EU bureaucrats) become the core "moral" focus of everyday life.

    They do this by pitting the various groups against one another. It's a common tactic used by empires for ages. What they'll do is take away something from one group while allowing another to keep it. Instead of focusing on what's important, that any freedom was taken away, the disadvantaged group will instead focus on the advantaged group and the resulting squabble will obscure the crux of the matter: that freedom has been abridged.

    What should really be going on is that Christians should stand up for muslims when they're told they can't wear their headscarves. Similarly, muslims should stand up for Christians when they're told they can't wear their crosses. I've always tried to argue that this is their strategy: they never go after the whole; they simply pick off group by group until all the groups are fighting with one another, separated, and weak.

    I'm still curious though - are Jews in any way impacted by these laws? Are they forced to change their dress or their behaviour in any way in the workplace? Or is it just Christians and muslims who are targeted by this?
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Not sure, do not remember seeing anything in the news regarding that, just Christians & Muslims
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads
    Women have been wearing headscarves since forever.  No one ever considered it to be a religious symbol.  It was usually there to keep their hair from becoming disheveled by the wind.  The PTB's are doing this because they interpret it differently when the woman's skin is a little darker.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • GrumpyGuy_MOD_GrumpyGuy_MOD_ Moderator
    edited March 14
    Old women in Japan often wear headscarves.  In the countryside it's safe to say that *all* old Japanese women wear headscarves.  They look identical from behind because they wear similar-looking clothes, are usually hunched over from back problems, and have the headscarves on.  Even younger women wear them if they are farmers, although my wife doesn't wear one.

    They look like this:


    People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.
    - Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    If someone wears a scarf it's ok. If someone wears a hijab it's looked on as a religious symbol.  Lots of women and girls wore scarves in the 40's and 50's and men wore hats.
    They wore them to protect from sun and wind or rain originally

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

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