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The solution to the world's immigration problems lays not in walls and borders - but the Bible

Earth rotates under Galileo

It is true that if God wanted countries to have borders, He would have carved them into the earth for all to see. But He didn’t.

It is also true that nation-states are a fairly new concept. They were engineered by European powers to facilitate the reining in of their own territories and Empires. Prior to that mostly city-states existed, and people freely moved about from one city-state to the next.

It is also very true that today things are quite different. We have now more people alive than at any other time in history. Billions of people to be exact. Imagine thousands upon thousands of people marching from one country to another. The result would be quite chaotic for the region being invaded.

Therefore, a certain type of border control in every nation is desirable, until such time as every country is economically self-sustainable and at peace. Once that happens, everyone’s borders would be quiet except for the normal flow of businessmen and tourists.

We could even witness a time when the great flow of earthlings would no longer require visas or passports, because no one would be afraid of foreigners anymore, since every country’s economy would be doing peachy – funny how money changes one’s perspective.

https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/07/24/stirring-the-immigration-pot/

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"...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)

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  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Absolutely worth reading in full.
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    Matt, what do you think about natural borders such as around Australia. Theoretically if all the ships and planes stopped tomorrow we'd be powerless to leave and others would be unable to enter.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Matt, what do you think about natural borders such as around Australia. Theoretically if all the ships and planes stopped tomorrow we'd be powerless to leave and others would be unable to enter.
    I'm not sure I understand the question - but certainly, Australia would become a very isolated place.

    I read a book when I was younger about a post-apocalyptic earth, and the survivors went to the last remaining place of civilization, which so happened to be New Zealand. It was called, "The Chrysalids".
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  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    In comparison to NZ Australia could be considered perhaps a little safer.  New Zealand has a geological structure which is quite volcanic compared to Australia and is right on the Ring of Fire.  If one is on the run from the possibility of EQ's in USA, NZ would definitely be "a home away from home" in that respect

     
    More on New Zealand's earthquake belt.

    http://all-geo.org/highlyallochthonous/2010/09/tectonics-of-the-m7-earthquake-near-christchurch-new-zealand/

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads
    edited March 20
    When I was in college, in the early 80's, I read a book.  Yes, I did that on occasion.  It was called, We Are the Earthquake Generation, by Jeff Goodman.  It was about the Ring of Fire and the predictions of Nostradamus.  I read the book about 2 months before Mt. St. Helens erupted.  That book started me on the road to prepping.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    tazweiss said:
    When I was in college, in the early 80's, I read a book.  Yes, I did that on occasion.  It was called, We Are the Earthquake Generation, by Jeff Goodman.  It was about the Ring of Fire and the predictions of Nostradamus.  I read the book about 2 months before Mt. St. Helens erupted.  That book started me on the road to prepping.
    Could you tell us more about the connections between the Ring of Fire and Nostradamus? Did he mention it frequently?
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads

    My mistake.  It wasn't Nostradamus, it was Edgar Cayce.

    In the book, the author talks about earth changes, as predicted by the Sleeping Prophet.  He compares Cayce's predictions to modern day geology.  Cayce said that the Ring of Fire was like a giant fuse.  The fuse would be lit by the eruption of Mt. St. Helens and would burn clockwise around the Pacific Rim until it came full circle.  At the end, there would be massive earth changes in North America.  Goodman talked about the geological causes of the predicted earth changes.  Causes that were unknown to geological science at the time of the predictions.  I thought it was an interesting book, until St. Helens blew shortly afterward and various earth disasters started happening down the spine of the America's.  That's when I first thought about prepping.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    tazweiss said:

    My mistake.  It wasn't Nostradamus, it was Edgar Cayce.

    In the book, the author talks about earth changes, as predicted by the Sleeping Prophet.  He compares Cayce's predictions to modern day geology.  Cayce said that the Ring of Fire was like a giant fuse.  The fuse would be lit by the eruption of Mt. St. Helens and would burn clockwise around the Pacific Rim until it came full circle.  At the end, there would be massive earth changes in North America.  Goodman talked about the geological causes of the predicted earth changes.  Causes that were unknown to geological science at the time of the predictions.  I thought it was an interesting book, until St. Helens blew shortly afterward and various earth disasters started happening down the spine of the America's.  That's when I first thought about prepping.

    Very interesting - so that means you've been into it for quite some time then. Are you part of any prepping groups, like Southern Prepper's community? (Not sure if you watch his Youtube videos, we post them here every now and then)
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  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads
    I sort of have a group.  Their are certain people who know they have a place to go if the SHTF.  A large proportion are current or former military.  It's a loose knit group but we do get together once or twice a year at my place.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • crystalcrystal Member

    Edgar Cayce was  an occult medium. The scriptures warn us to have nothing to do with the occult or to read or have in our possession things having to do with occult practices.

    Deuteronomy 18: 10- 12  There should not be found in you anyone who practices divination, a practice of magic, or anyone who looks for omens, or a sorcerer, or anyone who binds others  with a spell, or anyone who consults a SPIRIT MEDIUM, or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For everyone doing these things is detestable to Jehovah aka Yahweh.

    Acts 19:19  says " Indeed quite  a number of those who practiced magical arts brought their books together and burned them up before everybody."

    The scriptures go on to say that even though the books were worth quite a bit of silver they wanted to obey God and stay far away of anything having to do with the occult.

    Wicked spirits, demons work through them to get to humans.

    Rev 12: 12 says woe for the earth and "the sea, aka sea of mankind". because the devil has come down to you having great anger knowing he has a short period of time.

    A true Christian wouldn't watch read or have in their homes things pertaining to the occult. Yet many who CLAIM to be Christian don't even know that the scriptures condemn those things and many may know and do not care. 



  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator
    crystal said:

    Edgar Cayce was  an occult medium. The scriptures warn us to have nothing to do with the occult or to read or have in our possession things having to do with occult practices.

    Deuteronomy 18: 10- 12  There should not be found in you anyone who practices divination, a practice of magic, or anyone who looks for omens, or a sorcerer, or anyone who binds others  with a spell, or anyone who consults a SPIRIT MEDIUM, or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For everyone doing these things is detestable to Jehovah aka Yahweh.

    Acts 19:19  says " Indeed quite  a number of those who practiced magical arts brought their books together and burned them up before everybody."

    The scriptures go on to say that even though the books were worth quite a bit of silver they wanted to obey God and stay far away of anything having to do with the occult.

    Wicked spirits, demons work through them to get to humans.

    Rev 12: 12 says woe for the earth and "the sea, aka sea of mankind". because the devil has come down to you having great anger knowing he has a short period of time.

    A true Christian wouldn't watch read or have in their homes things pertaining to the occult. Yet many who CLAIM to be Christian don't even know that the scriptures condemn those things and many may know and do not care. 



    I agree. I am always confused when I meet girls that tell me they are christian and ask "what sign I am" or talk about that kind of thing. A Girl once told me she was going to get her palm read...I said, "didn't you say you're a christian?" 
    She replied, "Yes" 
    and then was completely flabbergasted when I told her that was strictly forbidden to do such things in the bible...Lol she never talked to me again 
    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    edited March 21
    Edgar was simply hypnotized and fell asleep, hence his being known as "the sleeping prophet". From what I've read, he seemed like a very kind mind who didn't profit at all from his work, and helped a number of people. He also seems to have been a very active Christian.

    Who knows, maybe God chose Edgar to be a messenger, and to divulge such information through such particular means. The Bible is full of such situations, so it shouldn't seem too foreign an idea.
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  • crystalcrystal Member

    God of the scriptures would Not choose anyone that was involved in the occult to be His messenger. His word condemns all things having to do with spiritism.

    I don't know of any situation in the scriptures where God used such ones.

    And the scriptures are clear that Christians are not to go beyond the things written. The Hebrew and Greek writings have all the information one needs for salvation and prophecies for the last days in Revelation. So those that follow Christ would not be looking for anyone else to come claiming their a prophet.

    God will judge each one of us individually. Love and Mercy are two of Gods main attributes. But His word is clear about the occult, all who are involved with it will not be in Gods book of life . That's what the scriptures say. God wants humans to know the truth and repent of their unclean practices so that they may live. And all who follow Jesus desire the same thing. those that really follow Christ want other to live to know the truth and not be deceived.

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    crystal said:

    God of the scriptures would Not choose anyone that was involved in the occult to be His messenger. His word condemns all things having to do with spiritism.

    I don't know of any situation in the scriptures where God used such ones.

    And the scriptures are clear that Christians are not to go beyond the things written. The Hebrew and Greek writings have all the information one needs for salvation and prophecies for the last days in Revelation. So those that follow Christ would not be looking for anyone else to come claiming their a prophet.

    God will judge each one of us individually. Love and Mercy are two of Gods main attributes. But His word is clear about the occult, all who are involved with it will not be in Gods book of life . That's what the scriptures say. God wants humans to know the truth and repent of their unclean practices so that they may live. And all who follow Jesus desire the same thing. those that really follow Christ want other to live to know the truth and not be deceived.


    Agreed Crystal,  using fortune telling, palm reading, tarot cards or occult mind power or summoning the dead or spirits is against what the scriptures tell us. We should just believe the word as it is.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    To each his own, I suppose. My bible seems to tell me a different story, and from what I've read and observed, Edgar doesn't seem like all that bad of a guy. In fat, he seemed like a really good man. 
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  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    edited March 23
    From what I've read in the past he did seem like a man who lived his life with good intent.   In this life we all have free will to choose  and many chose to follow this man.

    When people follow a human being whoever he may be, because word gets around he has ability to divine, prophecy or heal are they then drawn away (distracted) from God because they see that person as being a prophet or having God given supernatural powers?  Are such people setting themselves up (even inadvertently) in competition with God when they become celebrities?  Is it believable that God gives individuals powers that could be seen by some as comparable to His own?  

    Here's an article from Wikipedia on Edgar Cayce's life for those who haven't heard of him:

    "Edgar Cayce
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Edgar Cayce
    Cayce 1910jpg
    Cayce circa 1910
    Born

    Edgar Cayce
    March 18, 1877
    Christian County, Kentucky
    Died January 3, 1945 (aged 67)
    Virginia Beach, Virginia
    Resting place Riverside Cemetery, Hopkinsville, Kentucky
    Nationality American
    Occupation Mystic
    Clairvoyant
    Known for Founder of Association for Research and Enlightenment

    Edgar Cayce (/ˈkeɪsiː/; March 18, 1877 – January 3, 1945) was an American Christian mystic who answered questions on subjects as varied as healing, reincarnation, wars, Atlantis, and future events while in a trance. A biographer gave him the nickname, "The Sleeping Prophet." A nonprofit organization, the Association for Research and Enlightenment,[1] was founded to facilitate the study of Cayce's work. A hospital and a university were also established.

    Cayce became a celebrity toward the end of his life, and he believed the publicity given to his prophecies overshadowed the more noted parts of his work, such as psychic medical diagnosis and recommendations, and spiritual development.


    read more:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce



    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    Leviticus 19:31
    New International Version
    "'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.

    New Living Translation
    "Do not defile yourselves by turning to mediums or to those who consult the spirits of the dead. I am the LORD your God.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Leviticus 19:31
    New International Version
    "'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.

    New Living Translation
    "Do not defile yourselves by turning to mediums or to those who consult the spirits of the dead. I am the LORD your God.

    Neither of which Edgar did - he fell asleep and prophesied. Is there any evidence to the contrary?
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  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    Would not prophesying whilst in a sleeplike state (trance)  be similar to channeling from somewhere / some spirit or being a medium from some other deceased person.

    Of course anyone who writes on him or studies his life will each have their own opinion and its far from me to decide on how he should be looked on, but found this:  Is it possible with the best of intent that he himself was deceived?

    Edgar Cayce: The Sleeping Medium

    Introduction

    It’s hard to overestimate the impact of Edgar Cayce.

    Cayce (1877-1945), widely known as “the sleeping prophet,” was actually a “sleeping medium,” probably the most prominent psychic of the 20th century. He is often considered the spiritual “father” of both the New Age movement and New Age medicine.

    He is also widely considered a believing Christian. He personally read the Bible from beginning to end each year of his life and often taught Sunday school.

    The truth is that Edgar Cayce was an occult medium through whom deceiving spirits, biblically known as demons, provided their teachings – in all over 14,300 trance “Readings,” constituting a unique volume and variety of material. Through hypnotic suggestion Cayce would enter an unconscious trance state, be inquired as to specific questions and the spirit and/or spirits who spoke through him as a “channel” would supply the answers. Most responses dealt with the subject of health, although a wide variety of additional subjects were also discussed, including Christianity and Jesus, astrology, reincarnation, New Age spiritual growth, dreams, angels, Atlantis, and psychic development to name a few. The Readings discussed over 10,000 separate topics in all.

    https://www.jashow.org/articles/new-age/edgar-cayce-the-sleeping-medium/


     

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    edited March 23
    I guess my point is that people throughout the whole bible heard voices, had visions, and so on, so I don't understand how they're somehow licensed to do this, but other people aren't. 

    Anyway, my intention with this thread was to provide people with an alternative perspective regarding the movement-of-peoples situation facing the world. I'll bow out with the encouragement to actually learn more about Edgar (and indeed all mysterious individuals) - there could be a lot of stuff of interest to be found out.


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  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    We are fortunate that we do have free will and it's up to none of us to judge or decide what others should do  or whether they're right or wrong as we all have to walk our own path and have our own tests to encounter along the way. It's an individual thing between us and our Creator.
    People judge others all the time whether it's via the media or people whose egos tell them they know better than we do or those with an agenda who try to manipulate others.
    This can easily be seen by watching events escalating globally all pushing society toward one world government, economy and religion.  Money seems to be the catalyst.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

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