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Man Forcibly Dragged Off Plane After Refusing to Give Seat to United Airlines Employee

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Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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  • A video posted to Facebook Sunday evening showed what is becoming another public relations nightmare for United Airlines, which is owned by United Continental Holdings.

    One unnamed passenger boarded a United flight at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport, headed to Louisville, not knowing he was about to be forced to leave a plane that was overbooked.

    A nearly 30-second video clip, posted on social media by a fellow passenger, shows three security officers approaching a man who was already seated, asking him to give up his spot on the plane. After the man refuses, he was eventually dragged by his arms and screaming toward the front of the plane.

    A witness to the debacle said passengers were warned at the gate that the flight was overbooked, and United was asking for volunteers to switch flights, with reimbursements included. Nobody spoke up.

    According to Audra Bridges, who posted the video to her Facebook page Sunday evening, United management came on board the flight and used a computer to randomly select four passengers who would be removed from that trip.

    The man in the video — one of those four randomly selected — reportedly claimed he was a doctor and needed to see his patients at the hospital in the morning, then proceeded to say he would call his lawyers.

    After being forcibly ejected by three security officers, the man was able to get back on the plane, though his face was bloody, and he seemed disoriented, Bridges said. United offered no update to the flight's other passengers, who waited for more than two hours for things to calm down before taking off, she added.

    The Chicago Department of Aviation said the incident was "not in accordance with our standard operating procedure." It also said that the dragging of the passenger was "obviously not condoned by the department."

    "That officer has been placed on leave effective today pending a thorough review of the situation," the department said in a statement to NBC News.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/10/video-surfaces-of-man-being-dragged-from-overbooked-united-flight.html



    People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.
    - Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
  • Abysmal behaviour by United Airlines.
    People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.
    - Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    This is the second overbooking incident that's hit the news recently; another happened in Canada, where a couple or something booked months in advance and then were shown the door
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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Airport cop is SUSPENDED over United scandal as new video shows the victim mumbling 'kill me' after he was body-slammed and dragged off overbooked flight to make room for airline STAFF


    An airport cop who body slammed a United passenger and dragged him off an overbooked flight was put on leave today as his bosses condemned his actions - amid mounting outrage over video of the incident. The Chicago Department of Aviation said it 'obviously' did not condone the behavior of the security officer who was videoed slamming the man into an arm rest, knocking him unconscious and dragging him away by his arms as he bled from the mouth at O'Hare on Sunday night. United is facing growing anger at the video after they selected the man - who claimed to be a doctor - to be bumped from the overbooked flight to make room for its staff. The airline's CEO apologized even as new video of the man bleeding heavily from the mouth and mumbling about suicide in the aftermath of the incident emerged. In the clip, the dazed man chants'just kill me, just kill me' as blood pours from his mouth. It seems to have been filmed after another clip that shows the victim somehow broke free from the airport cops and ran back onto the plane chanting 'I need to go home, I need to go home.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4396986/Passengers-film-moment-police-drag-man-United-plane.html


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • GrumpyGuy_MOD_GrumpyGuy_MOD_ Moderator
    edited April 10
    This is how many airline and airport security people seem to view their jobs:


    People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.
    - Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    What did they do, kick him in the face a few times as well?
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    United Airlines boss defiant over dragged passenger in leaked letter

    The airline grapples with a PR crisis after footage emerges of a bloodied passenger who was dragged off an overbooked flight.

    The boss of United Airlines was defiant over an incident that saw a passenger dragged off a plane in a leaked memo to employees.

    Oscar Munoz wrote to staff after footage emerged of the moment the traveller was forcibly removed from the overbooked flight after refusing to give up his seat.

    In the letter, seen by Reuters, Mr Munoz did not apologise for the way the passenger was handled, instead claiming he had "defied" security officers.

    The airline's CEO said there are lessons the company can learn from this situation, though he impressed that he "emphatically" stands behind his employees.

    He wrote: "We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation).

    "When we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions."

    The Chicago Department of Aviation said one of its officers had not followed protocol and had been placed on leave pending a review of his actions.

    Flight 3411 from Chicago to Louisville was preparing for take-off at O'Hare International Airport when cabin crew informed the passengers that the flight was overbooked.

    The crew asked four passengers to free up space for staff who needed to be at work the following day.

    As no-one offered to give up their seat, the airline choose four passengers at random.

    http://news.sky.com/story/man-dragged-from-united-airlines-plane-in-overbooked-flight-row-10832911

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads

    To free up space for staff who had to be at work the next day.

    What about the people they kicked off, who may have had to work the next day?

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • tazweiss said:

    To free up space for staff who had to be at work the next day.

    What about the people they kicked off, who may have had to work the next day?

    Do ranchers care what the cows have planned for the day, when they herd them someplace else?

    Same mindset with the airlines.
    People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.
    - Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    United shares fall after passenger dragged off flight

    The airline grapples with a PR crisis after footage emerges of a bloodied passenger who was dragged off an overbooked flight.

    Shares in the owner of United Airlines have fallen 4% after social media reaction to footage of a passenger being dragged off a flight.

    Wall Street's jitters, a day after the video first emerged, came as United's boss Oscar Munoz remained defiant over the incident in a memo to employees.

    In the letter, seen by Reuters, Mr Munoz did not apologise for the way the passenger was handled, instead claiming he had "defied" security officers.

    The airline's chief executive said there were lessons the company could learn, though he stressed that he "emphatically" stood behind his employees.

    Shares in United Continental had initially held firm after the incident when the traveller was forcibly removed from the overbooked US domestic flight after refusing to give up his seat.

    http://news.sky.com/story/man-dragged-from-united-airlines-plane-in-overbooked-flight-row-10832911

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
     =)  :o :lol:


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator
    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Parodies: hilarious.

    Added insight comment: disturbing. 
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • I hope that Kimmel bit reduces their passenger counts in the future, although as he said it probably won't because they'll just charge 50 cents less for tickets.
    People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.
    - Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
  • Someone jokes on Reddit that they've found United's new seat configuration to ensure this doesn't happen again:


    People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.
    - Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings

  • People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.
    - Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
  • Apparently they didn't overbook in this case, as there were exactly the number of passengers as seats sold.  Instead, they tried to kick people off so employees could fly and work a shift elsewhere.  I think that's even worse than overbooking, personally, so the media's choice to label it as overbooking may not be doing the situation justice.
    People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.
    - Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
  • David Dao, a Kentucky physician who touched off a national debate over airline overbooking policies Monday when he was dragged off a United Airlines flight, was still recovering in the hospital Tuesday after suffering injuries from the incident, according to a Kentucky television station that spoke to him.

    Dao told WLKY-TV that he was not doing well and that he was still in a hospital in Chicago. When asked what his injuries were, he said “everything,” the station reported.

    In a statement, one of his attorneys, Stephen L. Golan, said Dao’s family was "appreciative of the outpouring of prayers, concern and support they have received" and said they would not make any further statements until he is released.

    Dao had boarded a United flight from Chicago to Louisville that the airline had overbooked. When flight staff chose four passengers to get off the plane to make room for United employees, Dao refused, saying that he was a doctor who needed to go back home to see patients.

    The airline summoned police, who dragged a shrieking Dao out of his seat and off the plane. Footage of the incident, taken by passengers, many of whom were distraught over Dao’s treatment, later showed Dao with a bloody face.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-united-passenger-20170411-story.html



    From later in that article, about the passenger himself:


    Little is known about Dao or why he was so adamant about remaining on the flight, leading news organizations to probe his history. The Louisville Courier-Journal and other news organizations reported Monday that Dao had previously been convicted of six felonies related to his medical practice in 2004, in which he was accused of illegally prescribing painkillers to a patient in exchange for sex.

    He was given five years of supervised probation.

    Dao surrendered his medical license in 2005, and applied for reinstatement, telling regulators it was a matter of “family honor.” In a 2014 letter, his attorney described Dao as "a grandfather, an active participant in his local church" who supports an organization that helps the homeless in his community, Elizabethtown, Ky.

    According to publicly available state licensing records reviewed by the Los Angeles Times, Dao has a history of mental health problems, including depression, anxiety and post-traumatic stress disorder, for which he has received treatment. A 2011 psychological evaluation of Dao concluded that he "lacked the foundation to navigate difficult situations, both inter-personally and in a complex profession.”

    That evaluation also said Dao has struggled with “poor decision-making” and a “lack of awareness around his personality and relational issues.” The records said Dao had been previously cited by a hospital in the 2000s for “disruptive conduct” and was ordered to seek evaluation for “anger management” issues. In 2002, another doctor wrote that Dao sometimes “unilaterally chose to do his own thing.”

    But another psychological evaluation administered in 2013 concluded that Dao “emotionally was free of debilitating anxiety, depression, or psychological turmoil to the extent that it would affect his ability to function in activities of daily living or manage the practice of medicine.”

    Regulators cleared Dao to return to medical practice in 2015, in which he was initially restricted to working one day a week, supervised by another doctor.




    People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.
    - Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    @GrumpyGuy_MOD_ Excellent investigation.
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads
    Apparently the troubles Dao had in the past, (troubles not in any way associated with the airline) justify the brutal treatment he received at the hands of the enforcers.  At least that seems to be the way the press report leads.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    It does seem to be leaning that way, that he's being painted as "trouble" 
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • I wonder which airline these media companies have travel deals with?
    People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.
    - Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    That Jimmy Kimmel video also reveals how robotic people have become: "I'm on a tv show. It's a comedy show. I must now laugh at everything. A man is being violently dragged off a plane. This could be me. Basic human decency is being violated. Still, I must laugh at it."
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads

    When I was in Afghanistan, a nurse once commented on the soldiers crass sense of humor about various things connected to our experiences over there.  One of my fellow soldiers asked her to think about the sense of humor they sometimes displayed about their job.  After considering the soldiers comment for a minute or so, she conceded.  She understood that crass humor is sometimes necessary to keep our emotional and mental equilibrium.

    We also have to think back on how many jokes we've laughed at during our lifetime.  Now think about how many of those jokes didn't in some way (however small) involve the misfortune or the belittling of another.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    United passenger dragged off plane speaks out after CEO apologises

    Dr David Dao says he is not doing well, as United's boss vows the airline will no longer use law enforcement to remove passengers.

    The passenger who was filmed being dragged screaming from a United Airlines flight has told a TV station he is not doing well.

    David Dao, a doctor from Kentucky, told WLKY TV he was still recovering in hospital in Chicago after having injured "everything".

    His lawyers released a statement thanking people for their concern and confirming the 69-year-old is still undergoing treatment.

    Stephen L Golan of Golan Christie Taglia, and Thomas A Demetrio of Corboy & Demetrio, said: "The family of Dr Dao wants the world to know that they are very appreciative of the outpouring of prayers, concern and support they have received.

    "Currently, they are focused only on Dr Dao's medical care and treatment."

    http://news.sky.com/story/united-airlines-ceo-says-sorry-after-man-dragged-off-plane-10834033

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Under-fire United CEO promises police will NEVER be called to remove a passenger from an overbooked flight again - as new video shows Dr Dao telling a cop he would 'rather go to jail' than get off the plane


    United's under-fire chief executive has promised police officers will never again board one of the airline's planes to remove a passenger from an overbooked flight. Munoz, 57, his first public appearance since Dr. David Dao was seen on video being dragged from a flight at Chicago O'Hare International Airport on Sunday night. Footage of the incident has been shared around the world, leading to United being blasted for the forceful removal. The 57-year-old - who earned about $6.7million last year - said he was ashamed when he first saw the video, before going on in the interview to promise police will not be called onto United flights in future to deal with similar situations. The interview came as video emerged from on the plane showing Dr Dao arguing with police (left) just moments before he was dragged off (inset).

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4405030/United-CEO-makes-public-appearance-scandal.html

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator
    This Dao guy is such a drama queen.... "Says he is not doing well" .....Dude, you got knocked out, get over it panzy 
    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads

    This Dao guy is such a drama queen.... "Says he is not doing well" .....Dude, you got knocked out, get over it panzy 

    What was done to him was wrong on every level but I agree.  Now he's just playing it up, working on public sympathy to help get a larger payday when he sues.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator
    tazweiss said:

    This Dao guy is such a drama queen.... "Says he is not doing well" .....Dude, you got knocked out, get over it panzy 

    What was done to him was wrong on every level but I agree.  Now he's just playing it up, working on public sympathy to help get a larger payday when he sues.

    Exactly 
    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    tazweiss said:
    This Dao guy is such a drama queen.... "Says he is not doing well" .....Dude, you got knocked out, get over it panzy 

    What was done to him was wrong on every level but I agree.  Now he's just playing it up, working on public sympathy to help get a larger payday when he sues.
    Exactly 
    How would any of us feel  if we were dragged off a plane in public view for standing up for our right to be delivered to the destination we paid good money for in good faith?
     
    From the photograph, Dao was clearly injured in being assaulted and dragged head first out of a plane by  security personnel and possibly down the stair ramp and across the tarmac the same way. He's in hospital, he's hardly in a position for working on public sympathy. The media is colouring the picture and we're falling for it.

    Each one of us and our families  would be fully justified in wanting just recompense for the inconvenience, humiliation and hospitalisation.  Media being what it is we can't even be sure the reports on the doctor's past are fiction or fact.  Aren't our medical records supposed to be confidential rather than on instant offer to the media for broadcast to the world?  Am sure he wouldn't have authorised it.

    "Not doing well" and "injured everywhere" is probably a mild complaint in comparison to what any one of us would let out  in a similar situation.  He's the victim not the perpetrator of his own misfortune.  If it can happen to a doctor who needs to be home to treat patients (let's just say we believe him for a moment instead of his "medical report") it can happen to any one of us.  We could be being led to accept this kind of behaviour by employees of a business to their customers as normal.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    edited April 12
    tazweiss said:
    This Dao guy is such a drama queen.... "Says he is not doing well" .....Dude, you got knocked out, get over it panzy 

    What was done to him was wrong on every level but I agree.  Now he's just playing it up, working on public sympathy to help get a larger payday when he sues.
    Exactly 
    How would any of us feel  if we were dragged off a plane in public view for standing up for our right to be delivered to the destination we paid good money for in good faith?
     
    From the photograph, Dao was clearly injured in being assaulted and dragged head first out of a plane by  security personnel and possibly down the stair ramp and across the tarmac the same way. He's in hospital, he's hardly in a position for working on public sympathy. The media is colouring the picture and we're falling for it.

    Each one of us and our families  would be fully justified in wanting just recompense for the inconvenience, humiliation and hospitalisation.  Media being what it is we can't even be sure the reports on the doctor's past are fiction or fact.  Aren't our medical records supposed to be confidential rather than on instant offer to the media for broadcast to the world?  Am sure he wouldn't have authorised it.

    "Not doing well" and "injured everywhere" is probably a mild complaint in comparison to what any one of us would let out  in a similar situation.  He's the victim not the perpetrator of his own misfortune.  If it can happen to a doctor who needs to be home to treat patients (let's just say we believe him for a moment instead of his "medical report") it can happen to any one of us.  We could be being led to accept this kind of behaviour by employees of a business to their customers as normal.
    100% agree.

    Corporations, not being real people, only respond to one thing: losing money. It's bad enough that corporations get away with absolutely insane things, but it's even worse when individuals act poorly and hide behind corporations to mask their poor behaviour.

    If we truly want corporations to start behaving themselves, short of abolishing them altogether (which would be the best thing to do), we need to collectively begin standing up to them and supporting anyone who gets treated by them in an untoward manner.
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  • tazweisstazweiss Member, Permitted to post new threads
    I'm not saying I blame him.  I've been known to play up an injury or two in order to get more sympathy from my wife. (And more perks.)

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads

    tazweiss said:
    I'm not saying I blame him.  I've been known to play up an injury or two in order to get more sympathy from my wife. (And more perks.)
    I don't blame him either. The guys been injured, dragged backward down the aisle of a plane and who knows how back to the terminal. Escaped, run back onto the plane which by all accounts was then evacuated while he was um.... "re accommodated" again and blood cleared off the plane before it was reloaded.

    Here's another look at what may or may not be a policeman.
    Image United Airlines drags physician kicking and screaming off a flight he PAID FOR because they overbooked and wanted the seat back

    United Airlines drags physician kicking and screaming off a flight he PAID FOR because they overbooked and wanted the seat back

    Monday, April 10, 2017 by: Mike Adams

    (Natural News)

    "So United Airlines did what all oppressive regimes do in a police state: They called in the government goons to literally rip this innocent customer out of his seat and slam his face into the adjacent seat, cutting his lip while he’s screaming and kicking."

    http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-04-10-united-airlines-physician-assault-kicking-screaming-overbooked-flight-police-state.html#





    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads

    Dragged United Passenger Files Legal Action Over Forceful Deplaning

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    Apr 12, 2017 5:29 PM Zero Hedge

    It was just a matter of time.

    On Wednesday afternoon, just three days after the "dragging" incident which quickly crossed the globe courtesy of a viral video, lawyers for Dr. David Dao, the passenger dragged from a United Airlines plane in Chicago, filed an emergency request with an Illinois state court on Wednesday to require the carrier to preserve video recordings and other evidence related to the incident. The Sunday evening incident caused a furor around the world as video recorded by fellow passengers showed airport security officers yanking Dr. David Dao from his seat aboard the flight. The uproar stemmed from Dao's status as a paying passenger who was being removed to make room for additional crew members on the overbooked flight.

    Footage from the incident showed Dao, bloodied and disheveled, returning to the cabin and repeating: "Just kill me. Kill me," and "I have to go home."

    As reported by Reuters, citing the risk of "serious prejudice" to their client, Dao's lawyers want United and the City of Chicago, which runs O'Hare International Airport, to preserve surveillance videos, cockpit voice recordings, passenger and crew lists, and other materials related to United Flight 3411.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-12/dragged-united-passenger-files-legal-action-over-forceful-deplaning

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads

    "Ashamed" United CEO Vows To No Longer Use Police To Forcibly Remove Passengers

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    Apr 12, 2017 11:11 AM    Zero Hedge

    In the latest apology since the forced deplaning scandal broke, United CEO Oscar Munoz said his airline will no longer use law enforcement officials to remove passengers from overbooked flights following the uproar over a viral video showing a passenger being violently dragged from a plane.

    "We are not going to put a law enforcement official to take them off," Munoz said in an interview with ABC on "Good Morning America" Wednesday. "To remove a booked, paid, seated passenger, we can’t do that." Munoz said he felt “shame” when he initially saw the viral video, and apologized to the passenger and family of David Dao, who remains hospitalized and is currently contemplating a legal challenge against the airline.

    As reported previouwly, United initially offered passengers up to $800 before selecting passengers to remove from the flight. It was not clear why it didn't keep ratcheting the offer higher until it found a clearing price instead of resorting to what eventually became the worst PR scandal in United's recent history. 

    Munoz called the incident, in which police officers were eventually brought on board the plane to help remove Dao - who refused to deplane - a “system failure." One security officer has reportedly been placed on leave.

    read more and video but it wouldn't play for me:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-12/ashamed-united-ceo-vows-no-longer-use-police-forcibly-remove-passengers

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  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads

    "No one volunteered, so United decided to choose for us. They chose an Asian doctor and his wife."


    United CEO Defends Staff's Violent "Reaccommodation" Of "Belligerent" Passenger

    Tyler Durdens picture
    Apr 11, 2017 8:40 AM

    In a letter to employees, United CEO Oscar Munoz said he was "upset to see and hear about what happened," but defended his staff's actions because the passenger had been "disruptive and belligerent." It seems not acquiescing to a computer's decision to select you for 'reaccomodation' is "disruptive" and warrants violence?

    As The BBC reports, Mr Munoz has faced criticism on social media for his response to the incident.

     

    He told staff in the private email that he was "upset to see and hear about what happened" but defended United employees.

     

    "Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this," the Associated Press quoted the email as saying.

     

    "While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right."

    Mr Munoz wrote that the passenger refused to voluntarily leave the plane, with staff "left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight".

    Jayse D Anspach, who posted footage that went viral, tweeted: "#United overbooked and wanted four of us to volunteer to give up our seats for personnel that needed to be at work the next day."

    "No one volunteered, so United decided to choose for us. They chose an Asian doctor and his wife."

     

    "The doctor needed to work at the hospital the next day, so he refused to volunteer," Mr Anspach added.

     

    "Ten minutes later, the doctor runs back into the plane with a bloody face, clings to a post in the back, chanting, "I need to go home."

     

    A video that appears to show the man back on the plane, dazed and with blood around his mouth, saying "just kill me", has also emerged online.

    One of the three security officers involved has been "placed on leave", the Chicago Department of Aviation said, and his actions were "obviously not condoned by the Department".

    The department also said it would carry out a review into the incident, which it said was "not in accordance with our standard operating procedure". United said it was trying to talk to the passenger directly in order to "further address and resolve this situation".

    So what went wrong?

    It appears to have been a series of errors. A group of flight crew needed to be in Louisville, properly rested, in order to operate the next morning's plane. Had they not been able to get there, then many more passengers would have had their plans messed up. The big mistake the airline made was allowing all the fare-paying passengers on board, and then trying to entice enough people off.

    It would have been far better to conduct the auction at the gate; physically preventing someone boarding is less harmful than dragging them kicking and screaming from their seat.

    Many in China felt the man's removal was simply discrimination, posting he was only chosen to be removed from the flight because he is Chinese. We can only imagine the uproar if this passenger was a muslim or an african-american.

    Finally, we leave it to The Mises Institute's Ryan McMaken, who explains United's violence perfectly illustrates the problem with government monopolies...

    United Airlines managed to provoke a firestorm of opposition over the weekend when the airline overbooked one of its flights and resorted to removing at least one passenger by smashing his face and physically dragging him off the plane.  At least two other passengers filmed the altercation between the non-violent passenger and the law enforcement officers — it's unclear if they were private security agents or government police officers.  In response, the airline issued a creepily Orwellian "apology" for "re-accommodating" the passenger who had been selected "by computer" to make room for some airline staffers.  The response over social media has been swift with countless posters on Twitter vowing to boycott the airline.

    read more
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-11/united-ceo-defends-staffs-violent-reaccomodation-belligerent-passenger


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  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads

    United Airlines will reimburse passengers from flight when man dragged off

    By Travis Fedschun

    Published April 12, 2017
    FoxNews.com

    What can United Airlines learn from their controversy?

    All of the customers who were on the United Airlines flight that involved police officers dragging a passenger off the aircraft over the weekend will be fully reimbursed, the airline said Wednesday. 

    United spokesperson Maddie King said in a statement to Fox News the airline "will be providing full compensation for the price of their ticket for all passengers on United Flight 3411."

    The news of the reimbursement came as two more airport police officers involved in the incident aboard the United Express flight at Chicago's O'Hare Airport have been placed on leave.

    The announcement from the city's Aviation Department came two days after another officer involved in the Sunday night confrontation was put on leave. The department said it is continuing its investigation into the incident.

    read more:
    http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/04/12/united-ceo-airline-will-no-longer-use-police-to-remove-passengers.html

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  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    United spokesperson Maddie King said in a statement to Fox News the airline "will be providing full compensation for the price of their ticket for all passengers on United Flight 3411."

    Possible reason:   PTFD = Post Traumatic Flight Disorder.

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  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    How many passengers will an Embraer 170 seat? How many were on this flight?
     Figures of passengers on flight and how many seats available as standard on this model below.


    N632RW 8025014026jpg
    Occurrence summary
    Date April 9, 2017
    Summary Passenger manhandling
    Site O'Hare International Airport, Chicago, Illinois
    Passengers 71
    Aircraft type Embraer 170
    Operator Republic Airline operated as United Express
    Registration N632RW
    Flight origin O'Hare International Airport
    Destination Louisville International Airport
    The United Express Flight 3411 incident occurred on April 9, 2017 when airport police forcibly removed a passenger who refused

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Express_Flight_3411_incident

    E170 and E175

    The E170/E175 models[7] in the 80-seat range are the smaller in the EJet family. They are powered with General Electric CF34-8E engines of 14,200 pounds (62.28 kN) thrust each. The E170 and E175 directly compete with the Bombardier CRJ-700 and Bombardier CRJ-900, respectively, and loosely compete with the turboprop Bombardier Q400. They also seek to replace the market segment occupied by earlier competing designs such as the BAe 146 and Fokker 70.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_E-Jet_family#E-170_and_175


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  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Everyone who steps on an American airliner these days probably has PTFD
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  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator
    Dao suffered 'significant' concussion, broken nose, lost two front teeth: lawyer for ejected United passenger 
    http://live.reuters.com/Event/Reuters_Live_Video/837521034 ;
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  • They were wrong to throw him off the plane however he was wrong not to leave when told to do so. What I find MOST incredible is that no one else seems to be as outraged as I am over the fact that most airlines over book their flights. That's criminal fraud. I don't care HOW you try and spin it. If I sold the same house to 3 different people I'd be locked away. It doesn't matter what you're selling. To sell something you don't actually have is fraud. If you have 175 seats in anything; a stadium, a bus, a plane, whatever, and you sell 180 seats to 180 people you've just defrauded 5 people. 
  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator
    Lomax6996 said:
    They were wrong to throw him off the plane however he was wrong not to leave when told to do so. What I find MOST incredible is that no one else seems to be as outraged as I am over the fact that most airlines over book their flights. That's criminal fraud. I don't care HOW you try and spin it. If I sold the same house to 3 different people I'd be locked away. It doesn't matter what you're selling. To sell something you don't actually have is fraud. If you have 175 seats in anything; a stadium, a bus, a plane, whatever, and you sell 180 seats to 180 people you've just defrauded 5 people. 
    I agree completely. It's pretty inexcusible and I hope this incident makes airlines wise-up
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  • GrumpyGuy_MOD_GrumpyGuy_MOD_ Moderator
    edited April 13
    Lomax6996 said:
    They were wrong to throw him off the plane however he was wrong not to leave when told to do so. What I find MOST incredible is that no one else seems to be as outraged as I am over the fact that most airlines over book their flights. That's criminal fraud. I don't care HOW you try and spin it. If I sold the same house to 3 different people I'd be locked away. It doesn't matter what you're selling. To sell something you don't actually have is fraud. If you have 175 seats in anything; a stadium, a bus, a plane, whatever, and you sell 180 seats to 180 people you've just defrauded 5 people. 
    I am very much against overbooking and find it a very dishonest, penny-pinching behaviour.

    This case wasn't overbooking, however, as the same number of tickets as seats were sold for that flight.  Instead, they decided at the last minute to bump four people so employees could be ferried down to work another flight.  In my opinion, this is even worse than overbooking, because it's a blatant example of putting employees and profits before customers.
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  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    Lomax6996 said:
    They were wrong to throw him off the plane however he was wrong not to leave when told to do so. What I find MOST incredible is that no one else seems to be as outraged as I am over the fact that most airlines over book their flights. That's criminal fraud. I don't care HOW you try and spin it. If I sold the same house to 3 different people I'd be locked away. It doesn't matter what you're selling. To sell something you don't actually have is fraud. If you have 175 seats in anything; a stadium, a bus, a plane, whatever, and you sell 180 seats to 180 people you've just defrauded 5 people. 
    Are we sure he was so wrong not to leave?   How did the "computer" pick both him and his wife randomly?
    Why are they refunding all the passengers fares?


    The Embraer 170 carries a capacity of 76 passengers and has a crew of four [two pilots and two cabin attendants] a galley and two toilets.



    Occurrence summary

    Date April 9, 2017
    Summary Forcible passenger removal
    Site O'Hare International Airport, Chicago, Illinois
    Passengers 71
    Injuries (non-fatal) 1
    Aircraft type Embraer 170
    Operator Republic Airline doing business as United Express
    Registration N632RW
    Flight origin O'Hare International Airport
    Destination Louisville International Airport


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Express_Flight_3411_incident

    76 - 71 = 5


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  • That's very interesting, Rosie.  I know that airlines have their own seat configurations that aren't always the same as factory spec, but if the capacity of a plane is 76 passengers it seems like a very un-corporate waste to not include those extra 5 seats.  That could be thousands of dollars in lost potential revenue per flight.  What airline would pass up on such an opportunity?
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  • Here is why United Airlines kicking off and countenancing the assault of a paying customer is a big deal: It helps to reveal how corporate America often puts rules before people and how capitalism often places profits before human dignity. (I am speaking not only as a Jesuit priest but as a graduate of the Wharton School of Business, someone who considers himself a capitalist and a veteran of several years in corporate America.)

    Overbooking is a device that most airlines use to maximize their profits. Unfilled seats mean lost revenue. This means that some people will inevitably be bumped from flights. But in the airline’s economic calculus, this is deemed an acceptable trade-off. A customer’s inconvenience is subordinate to profits.

    You can already see the inherent problem.

    The man had purchased a ticket from United, so, as a consumer, he was justified in expecting that he would be able to use it. That is the essence of capitalism: a fair exchange of money for goods or services. But the airline decided they had “overbooked” when some airline employees needed last-minute seats on the flight, so they asked passengers (who had already paid) if they would be willing to relinquish their seats. They offered increasing levels of money to make it more palatable. Several took the offer.

    Not surprisingly, one person did not want to leave. Why should he? He paid for his seat and was anxious to reach his destination. The airline had also entered into a contract with him. And the argument that the airline had the right to eject him is, to me, fallacious. It was not any sort of emergency. No matter what the fine print said, the man had a right to expect to fly that day.

    Likewise, the argument that overbooking reduces the price of tickets, and therefore actually helps the consumer, is also something a dodge, because the goal of the corporation is not to reduce the price of tickets but to maximize profits for shareholders. One reduces ticket prices to increase volume, which raises revenue. Airlines are not charities.

    When the man was unwilling to give up what he had paid for, he was forcibly removed from his seat by security officers, who ended up bloodying him and dragging him along the floor of the plane.

    When we watch the video of the event something in us says, “That’s not right.” Pay attention to that feeling. It is our conscience speaking. That is what prompted the widespread outrage online—not simply the fact that people who have been bumped from flights share in the man’s frustration but the immorality of a system that leads to a degradation of human dignity. If corporate rules and the laws of capitalism lead to this, then they are unjust rules and laws. The ends show that the means are not justified.

    Someone in authority—pilots, stewards, ground crew—might have realized that this was an assault on a person’s dignity. But no one stopped it. Why not? Not because they are bad people: They too probably looked on in horror. But because they have been conditioned to follow the rules.

    http://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/04/11/united-airlines-debacle-isnt-about-customer-service-its-about-morality


    (Good piece - worth reading the rest)





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  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    That's very interesting, Rosie.  I know that airlines have their own seat configurations that aren't always the same as factory spec, but if the capacity of a plane is 76 passengers it seems like a very un-corporate waste to not include those extra 5 seats.  That could be thousands of dollars in lost potential revenue per flight.  What airline would pass up on such an opportunity?
    Perhaps those 5 seats are the ones they keep free for airline staff that need to be shuttled to their next flight  :/
    I checked another airlines specs and they say the Embraer 170 seats 76 passengers also.
    and a bit more info:




    Here is why United Airlines kicking off and countenancing the assault of a paying customer is a big deal: It helps to reveal how corporate America often puts rules before people and how capitalism often places profits before human dignity. (I am speaking not only as a Jesuit priest but as a graduate of the Wharton School of Business, someone who considers himself a capitalist and a veteran of several years in corporate America.)

    Overbooking is a device that most airlines use to maximize their profits. Unfilled seats mean lost revenue. This means that some people will inevitably be bumped from flights. But in the airline’s economic calculus, this is deemed an acceptable trade-off. A customer’s inconvenience is subordinate to profits.

    You can already see the inherent problem.

    The man had purchased a ticket from United, so, as a consumer, he was justified in expecting that he would be able to use it. That is the essence of capitalism: a fair exchange of money for goods or services. But the airline decided they had “overbooked” when some airline employees needed last-minute seats on the flight, so they asked passengers (who had already paid) if they would be willing to relinquish their seats. They offered increasing levels of money to make it more palatable. Several took the offer.

    Not surprisingly, one person did not want to leave. Why should he? He paid for his seat and was anxious to reach his destination. The airline had also entered into a contract with him. And the argument that the airline had the right to eject him is, to me, fallacious. It was not any sort of emergency. No matter what the fine print said, the man had a right to expect to fly that day.

    Likewise, the argument that overbooking reduces the price of tickets, and therefore actually helps the consumer, is also something a dodge, because the goal of the corporation is not to reduce the price of tickets but to maximize profits for shareholders. One reduces ticket prices to increase volume, which raises revenue. Airlines are not charities.

    When the man was unwilling to give up what he had paid for, he was forcibly removed from his seat by security officers, who ended up bloodying him and dragging him along the floor of the plane.

    When we watch the video of the event something in us says, “That’s not right.” Pay attention to that feeling. It is our conscience speaking. That is what prompted the widespread outrage online—not simply the fact that people who have been bumped from flights share in the man’s frustration but the immorality of a system that leads to a degradation of human dignity. If corporate rules and the laws of capitalism lead to this, then they are unjust rules and laws. The ends show that the means are not justified.

    Someone in authority—pilots, stewards, ground crew—might have realized that this was an assault on a person’s dignity. But no one stopped it. Why not? Not because they are bad people: They too probably looked on in horror. But because they have been conditioned to follow the rules.

    http://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/04/11/united-airlines-debacle-isnt-about-customer-service-its-about-morality


    (Good piece - worth reading the rest)






    Jump seat

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    A jump seat (or jumpseat), in aviation refers to an auxiliary seat for individuals—other than normal passengers—who are not operating the aircraft.[1] In general, the term 'jump seat' can also refer to a seat in any type of vehicle which can fold up out of the way; vehicles include carriages, automobiles, vans, buses, fire tenders, and taxicabs. The term originated in the United States c. 1860 for a movable carriage seat.[citation needed]

    Contents

    Aviation

    Airbus A319 door showing folded up jump seat on the left.

    In aircraft, jump seats—which are officially termed auxiliary crew stations—can be located in cockpits or passenger cabins. In cockpits, jump seats are provided for individuals who are not operating the aircraft. These might include trainee pilots, off-duty crew members in transition to another airport (see deadheading), government officials (such as Federal Aviation Administration staff), or airline staff. The passenger cabin jump seats are used by the cabin crew, especially during takeoff and landing. These jump seats are normally located near emergency exits so that flight attendants can quickly open the exit door for an emergency evacuation. The passenger cabin jump seats usually fold out of the way when not in use to keep aisles, workspaces, and emergency exits clear.[citation needed]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_seat

     

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  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    edited April 14
    Another revelation to the story in that Dr. Dao and his wife are both doctors

    Wife of United Airlines Passenger Dragged Off Plane Was ‘Visibly Shaken’ After Bloody Altercation, Says Fellow Traveler

    By Rose Minutaglio@RoseMinutaglio

    Posted on April 13, 2017 at 8:47am EDT

    A mother seated in the row behind the doctor who was forcibly removed from Sunday’s United Airlines flight 3411 says the man’s wife was “visibly shaken” by the violent ordeal.

    Joya Griffin Cummings watched as the passenger, identified as Dr. David Dao, was dragged off the plane by officials, his face hitting an armrest on the way. His wife, Dr. Teresa Dao, was sitting a row back and across the aisle, according to Griffin Cummings. She followed her husband off the plane, but came back to grab their carry-on luggage — “not crying, but definitely shook up.”

    “I told her, ‘I’m so sorry you had to see your husband go through that,’ ” Joya Griffin Cummings, who also took video footage of Dr. David Dao interacting with officials in the moments before he was violently dragged, tells PEOPLE. “I said, ‘I can’t imagine how horrific it must have been to witness your loved one go through that.’ ”

    Griffin Cummings, who was returning from a family vacation in Misawa, Japan, with her husband Forest and 2-year-old son Caden, says the whole situation felt “very unfair, very unjust” and she became fearful for her family’s safety when the altercation turned violent.

    “I was like, ‘Uh oh, this is not great,’ ” says Griffin Cummings, 37. “It made me more anxious. The space is so small and we didn’t know if they had weapons or what.”

    David and Teresa, both doctors in Kentucky, were among the paid passengers on the flight who were offered up to $800 from United to give up their seats to airline employees who needed to board.

    Griffin Cummings says David and Teresa initially agreed to volunteer and they deplaned together. But the couple came back and returned to their seats “quickly.”

    When David was later chosen at random to leave the plane involuntarily, video footage shows him saying: “I won’t go, I’m a physician I have to work tomorrow, 8 o’clock.”

    read more: (interesting)

    http://people.com/human-interest/wife-united-airlines-passenger-visibly-shaken-after-altercation/


    (We all have a right to change our minds unless we sign a binding contract. If Dr. Dao and his wife had changed their minds about volunteering and insisted on staying on the plane so he could see his patients, the smart thing to do would be leave them out of the "random computer selection" as clearly that could lead to conflict and also he was a medical officer.)


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  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    edited April 14

    from People

    Cummings, who filmed the incident, was on the plane with her toddler. She penned her version of the event on her Facebook page saying, “He just wanted to go home.”

    “[He] had to work the next day and did not feel it was right to have to give up his seat, a seat he was already sitting in upon the plane. The airline was not able to get him home until after 2 pm Monday afternoon,” she writes.

    http://people.com/human-interest/footage-united-airlines-passenger-police-arguing-before-dragged-off-plane/

    Perhaps this explains why the doctor changed his mind about volunteering.

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  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    The article written by the Jesuit priest is indeed worth reading.

    However, he feeds a paradox that I come across endlessly by thinking that capitalism can be made "better", "moral" if reformed, but by it's very nature capitalism is immoral because it relies entirely on the exploitation of one person by another, on socially acceptable theft. There is no exchange in capitalism, however small, however seemingly innocuous, in which one side or the other doesn't get screwed.

    And so when you have an entire society full of people with knives held up to each other's throats, you get a society full of people who "follow rules", because in the end it's more "profitable" on a personal level to be the person dragging the other person along the floor of the plane, than to be the person being dragged. 





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  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    The article written by the Jesuit priest is indeed worth reading.

    However, he feeds a paradox that I come across endlessly by thinking that capitalism can be made "better", "moral" if reformed, but by it's very nature capitalism is immoral because it relies entirely on the exploitation of one person by another, on socially acceptable theft. There is no exchange in capitalism, however small, however seemingly innocuous, in which one side or the other doesn't get screwed.

    And so when you have an entire society full of people with knives held up to each other's throats, you get a society full of people who "follow rules", because in the end it's more "profitable" on a personal level to be the person dragging the other person along the floor of the plane, than to be the person being dragged. 





    Yes, and the person doing the dragging gets two things payment and empowerment which equates to capitalism. 

    Perhaps the airline should take a leaf out of India's book and be

     "more accommodating and less re-accommodating"
      Image result for train india people hanging off


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  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Third class train travel in India is the cheapest!
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  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads
    edited April 14

    Dr. David Dao's Lawyer Destroys United Airlines Over and Over Again


    Published on Apr 13, 2017
    "Are we going to continue being treated like cattle?" - Lawyer for a United Airlines passenger fires off on the airline for their use of excessive force on his client. This came in lieu of a viral video which showed the passenger, Dr. David Dao, being forcibly removed from a United flight, after his refusal to relinquish his seat.

    The Lawyer lambasted the airline for what he called a culture of 'bullying' , which he claims to be widespread through out the airline industry.

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  • RosieRosie Member, Permitted to post new threads

    Passengers BOO American Airlines crew after sobbing woman is kicked off plane 'when she didn't hear order to sit down'

    • Female passenger 'didn't hear a male flight attendant's order to sit down'
    • 'Complained about his "rude" manner to his colleague' - and was ejected 
    • Footage shows woman sobbing as she is instructed to 'come off' aircraft
    • She says to female flight attendant: 'You're so mean. I didn't do anything'
    • As she leaves the plane, other passengers 'boo' and criticize the airline

    By Sophie Jane Evans for MailOnline

    Published: 20:28 +11:00, 13 October 2015 | Updated: 23:35 +11:00, 13 October 2015

    This is the moment passengers on an American Airlines flight 'booed' the crew after a sobbing woman was kicked off the plane because she apparently did not hear an instruction to sit down.

    Footage captured on-board Flight 408 to Portland, Oregon, shows the unidentified passenger pleading with a female flight attendant after being told she needed to 'come off the aircraft'.

    read more and video:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3270414/Passengers-BOO-American-Airlines-crew-sobbing-woman-kicked-plane-didn-t-hear-order-sit-down.html

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  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    What happened to flight crew treating passengers nicely? That seems to happen a lot less these days
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    From Business Insider

    Based on United Airlines’ Contract of Carriage (more on that later), passengers with disabilities and unaccompanied minors are the least likely to bumped from a flight.

    For everyone else, the contract states that the airline made the decision based a passenger’s frequent flyer status, the layout of his or her itinerary (whether the passenger has a connecting flight), the fare class of the ticket, and the time he or she checked into the flight.

    This means passengers who are more expensive tickets, higher frequent flyer status, and checked in early are less likely to be bumped.

    Delta and American both operate under similar policies as stipulated in their respective contracts of carriage.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-airline-choose-who-kick-off-flight-united-american-delta-2017-4?r=UK&IR=T

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    Scorpion Stings United Passenger After Dropping From Overhead Bin

    Posted 5:41 pm, April 15, 2017, by Tribune Media Wire

    HOUSTON, Texas  —  It’s been a rough week for United Airlines.

    The same day a passenger was infamously dragged off a United plane in Chicago, a man on a United flight from Houston to Calgary was allegedly stung by a scorpion.

    The same day a passenger was infamously dragged off a United plane in Chicago, a man on a United flight from Houston to Calgary was allegedly stung by a scorpion. (Photo courtesy: Linda Bell via CNN)

    The venomous creature fell from an overhead bin and landed on Richard Bell’s hair as he was eating lunch Sunday in his business class seat, according to his wife Linda.

    “My husband felt something in his hair. He grabbed it out of his hair and it fell onto his dinner table. As he was grabbing it by the tail it stung him,” she told CNN.

    She said her husband shooed the scorpion off his tray and it landed in the aisle, catching the attention of a nearby passenger who cried, “Oh my god, that’s a scorpion.”

    It’s not clear how the scorpion got on the plane. The airplane had flown to Houston earlier in the day from Costa Rica, according to FlightAware, a flight-tracking platform.

    The Bells were returning home from a vacation.

    Linda Bell said flight attendants quickly corralled the scorpion and flushed it down an airplane toilet.

    “Our flight attendants helped a customer who was stung by what appeared to be a scorpion on a flight last week,” United said in a statement. “Our crew immediately consulted with a MedLink physician on the ground who provided guidance throughout the incident and assured our crew that it was not a life-threatening matter.”

    United Airlines said medical personnel met the aircraft when it arrived in Calgary.

    http://whotv.com/2017/04/15/scorpion-stings-united-passenger-after-falling-from-overhead-bin/



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    Bride and groom on way to wedding booted off United flight

    Published April 17, 2017

    A bride and groom on their way to Costa Rica for their wedding said Saturday they were kicked off their United flight in Houston after a discrepancy with plane seating.

    Michael Hohl and his fiancé, Amber Maxwell, were flying from Salt Lake City and had a layover at George Bush International Airport, KHOU-TV reported. Hohl said they were the last to board the plane and when they approached their seats, in row 24, they found a man sleeping in them.

    Hohl said they decided to move up to the 21st row, not waking the man. He told the station they really did not think anything of it because the flight was half-full and had multiple empty rows.

    “We thought not a big deal, it’s not like we are trying to jump up into a first-class seat," Hohl told the station. “We were simply in an economy row a few rows above our economy seat.”

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    http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/04/17/bride-and-groom-on-way-to-wedding-booted-off-united-flight.html



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