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North Carolina protesters topple Confederate soldier statue as memorials across U.S. are vandalized

  • Protesters in Durham, North Carolina toppled a Confederate Soldiers monument outside of an old courthouse building on Monday
  • Video from the scene shows the statue dedicated in 1924 falling to the ground  
  • In addition, a statue honoring Confederate soldiers who died in the Civil War was removed in Gainesville, Florida on Monday
  • Protesters covered the bust of Confederate lieutenant general Nathan Bedford Forrest at the Tennessee Capitol on Monday 
  • Plus, three statues in Tampa, Florida; Atlanta, Georgia; and Louisville, Kentucky were all splattered with red paint on Sunday  
  • Vandalism comes after clashes in Charlottesville, Virginia on Saturday over a statue of Confederate hero Robert E. Lee  

Protesters in North Carolina toppled a nearly century-old statue of a Confederate soldier on Monday at a rally against racism following the clashes in Charlottesville, Virginia over a statue of Confederate hero Robert E. Lee.

Activists in Durham brought a ladder up to the statue and used a rope to pull down the Confederate Soldiers Monument that was dedicated in 1924. 

A diverse crowd of dozens cheered as the statue of a soldier holding a rifle fell to the ground in front of an old courthouse building that now houses local government offices.

Seconds after the monument fell, protesters began kicking the crumpled bronze monument. 

Hours after the statue was toppled, North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper tweeted: 'The racism and deadly violence in Charlottesville is unacceptable but there is a better way to remove these monuments - RC'. 


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4789478/Several-Confederate-memorials-vandalized-one-removed.html



"Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
“The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
"If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator
    I hope someone drives a car through them too. Hopefully they can do better than only killing one of these POS this time 
    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    you have to wonder why the police done nothing to stop this illegal act
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator
    you have to wonder why the police done nothing to stop this illegal act
    America (and Europe) have gotten completely out of control with PC. It's like people have literally lost all ability to have rational thought. 


    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    they should spend some time learning history before trying to remove it
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    “Barack Obama is to blame”: 13 Alabama conservatives on Charlottesville

    DECATUR, Alabama — Several Alabama voters blame President Barack Obama for the white supremacist violence in Charlottesville this weekend because, they say, he sowed division in American politics.

    Attendees at a rally for Rep. Mo Brooks, a conservative House Republican running for Senate, in Decatur on Monday said they were confident that philanthropist George Soros was bankrolling both sides of this weekend's violent clashes.

    And on conservative Alabama talk radio, Black Lives Matter activists quickly emerged as a top culprit in the bloodshed. Callers, citing Facebook posts, claimed that BLM protesters had thrown bricks at the car before it hit and killed Heather Heyer.

    “There’s a lot of wrong on both sides, and unfortunately all the liberal media talks about is the wrong on one side,” said Tom Cowles, 61, a retired engineer from a wealthy section of northeast Alabama.

    On Tuesday, I talked to a few dozen people at three campaign events for three conservative Senate candidates about Charlottesville. I also listened for three hours to 101.1 FM YellowHammerNews, a conservative talk radio station in Alabama. While nearly all decried the acts of violence and said they rejected white hate groups, the Alabama conservatives also blamed the mainstream media for ignoring the violence of the left, argued that the KKK was originally an organization of the left, and complained about Black Lives Matter.

    I recorded our conversations; the transcripts of their answers are below.

    "Obama set racial relationships in the nation back 100 years"

    Ann Eubank, 68, of Rainy Day Patriots Tea Party

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/15/16148144/alabama-conservatives-on-charlottesville
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    compilation of peaceful far left protests that the media & politicians are turning a blind eye to


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    While we are focussed on  the real or imagined dangers of North Korea, Russia and China the left wing factions in Europe, UK and USA are busily engaged in not only destroying the hopes of young people gaining the rewards of a university education but in destroying the very history and foundation of countries they call home that were built up with sweat and hard labour by their forefathers who sailed out in leaking boats from England and Europe for freedom and a new life.

    Australia has its own George Soros backed group called getup.org of which our opposition leader Bill Shorten is a founding member. Over here this opposition party is called the Labour Party (originally supporting blue collar workers) whereas the more moderate coalition (Nationals/Liberal) Party is in power currently.  It may sound confusing but Labour party here is the  left wing group and equivalent of Liberals in the Northern Hemisphere. Let's hope we're not tracking the same slippery path as our allies.

    The west seems headed for chaos and destruction of what we proudly look on as "our way of life" by a combination of black market and prescription drugs, the expectation that the world owes us a living, the move to interconnectiveness of everything and everyone (line up for your RIFD chip) and the renaming of "freedom of speech" aka "having a point of view"  as "hate speech". 

    We have students from wealthy families attending colleges paid for by their loving parents and denouncing themselves and their families as "overprivileged whites" and just as effective in turning landmarks of their culture such as statues and artwork into rubble as ISIS or moderate rebels  would do in Iraq or Syria.  How long will it be before their attention turns from kicking down statues to  demolishing hospitals, schools of learning and libraries?  They're not creating a world where everyone is equal, instead they're creating a world of increasing divisiveness with two factions, left and right with no middle ground.

    There can only be one reason the military and police aren't stepping in.....

    China and Russia don't have to do anything except sit back, eat popcorn and watch as the west implodes on itself, courtesy of a spoiled and misguided me generation.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Takiyah Thompson, 22, who pulled down Confederate statue in North Carolina is arrested and could face PRISON - as Democrat governor vows to remove all 'anti-American' Civil War monuments from his state


    Takiyah Thompson, 22, was arrested after she admitted to helping bring down a Confederate monument on Monday in Durham, North CarolinaShe said she climbed a ladder to the top to tie a rope around the monument before the crowd tore it downOn Tuesday before her arrest, she said her actions were justified because Confederate statues represent white supremacyShe is charged with disorderly conduct by injury to a statue, damage to real property and two other felony countsVandalism comes after violent clashes in Charlottesville, Virginia on Saturday over a statue of Confederate hero Robert E. Lee 

    A woman who claims she took part in the toppling of the Confederate statue with a group of protesters in North Carolina has been arrested and is facing several charges.

    It comes as the state's Democrat governor Roy Cooper said on Tuesday that he wants to bring down Confederate monuments around the state, thrusting himself into a debate stoked by violence in Virginia.

    Cooper said: 'We cannot continue to glorify a war against the United States of America fought in the defense of slavery,' Cooper said in a statement. 'These monuments should come down.' 

    Takiyah Thompson, 22, was taken into custody on Tuesday by Durham County sheriff's deputies shortly after protesters held a news conference at North Carolina Central University where she identified herself as the person who climbed a ladder to the top to tie a rope around the monument before the crowd tore it down on Monday.

    She can be seen in video showing the moments before the Confederate statue was toppled.

    During the press conference, Thompson said that her actions were justified because Confederate statues represent white supremacy.

    Authorities charged Thompson with disorderly conduct by injury to a statue, damage to real property, participation in a riot with property damage in excess of $1,500 and inciting others to riot where there is property damage in excess of $1,500.

    During the press conference and prior to Thompson's arrest, protesters called for authorities to drop any charges related to the incident.  

    'The people decided to take matters into our own hands and remove the statue,' Thompson, a member of the far-left Workers World Party and a student at N.C. Central University, said before being arrested. 

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4791662/Deadly-rally-accelerates-removal-Confederate-statues.html

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Vandals spray paint 'f*** law' on the Lincoln Memorial: Thug defaces DC landmark with red graffiti

    • The Lincoln Memorial was defaced with the words 'F*** law' in red spray paint
    • The vandalism was discovered around 4:30am Tuesday morning
    • A map of the Smithsonian Museum was also defaced with illegible silver spray painted scribbles 
    • The Memorial's damage comes after a week of statues around the country being targeted
    • Saturday in Charlottesville, Virginia, a group of white nationalist protesters showed fighting the planned removal of a confederate statue
    • Three people died during the demonstrations and chaos that ensued
    • On Monday morning protesters took it upon themselves to takes down a confederate statue in Durham, North Carolina 

    The Lincoln Memorial in DC has been defaced after a week of statues being vandalized around the US. 

    The National Park Service says they discovered one of the pillars on the Lincoln Memorial with 'F**k law' spray painted in red at around 4.30am on Tuesday.

    It wasn't the only vandal attack on the National Mall Tuesday. The NPS also found undecipherable silver graffiti on a map of the Smithsonian Museum.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4794508/Vandals-spray-paint-f-law-Lincoln-Memorial.html

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Takiyah Thompson, 22, who pulled down Confederate statue in North Carolina is arrested and could face PRISON - as Democrat governor vows to remove all 'anti-American' Civil War monuments from his state

    Thompson, a member of the far-left Workers World Party and a student at N.C. Central University, said before being arrested. 
     

    Workers World Party. Ideology: Marxism–Leninism, Proletarian Internationalism.

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    edited August 16

    Baltimore's four Confederate monuments are removed under cover of darkness as the city council swiftly honors its promise to take down the divisive statues after violent clashes in Charlottesville


    Work crews used heavy machinery to haul the monuments away in Baltimore early Wednesday morningThe monuments torn down included a Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson statue and one dedicated to the Confederate Women of MarylandA Roger Taney monument and a statue for soldiers and sailors was also removedCrews began removing the city's Confederate monuments late Tuesday and finished around 5.30am on Wednesday The dismantling of the monuments comes after a deadly rally by white nationalists protesting plans to remove a Lee statue in Charlottesville, Virginia on Saturday Baltimore Mayor Catherine Pugh said she acted swiftly to avoid the same violence as Charlottesville

    Confederate monuments were torn down down in Baltimore overnight just days after white nationalists led a deadly protest over the planned removal of a statue in Virginia.

    Work crews used heavy machinery to haul the divisive monuments away in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

    A monument to Robert E. Lee, commander of the pro-slavery Confederate army in the American Civil War, and Confederate general Stonewall Jackson was dismantled from the city's Wyman Park Dell.

    A crane was pictured removing a monument dedicated to the Confederate Women of Maryland around 3am in Bishop Square Park and placing it on a flatbed truck 45 minutes later. 

    The Roger Taney statue in Mount Vernon and a monument for soldiers and sailors on Mount Royal Avenue were also removed. 

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4795740/Four-Confederate-monuments-removed-Baltimore.html




    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    mob rule 
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Georgia judge suspended for comparing removal of Confederate monuments to ISIS actions

    A judge in Gwinnett County, Georgia has been suspended for comparing those taking down Confederate monuments to the terrorist group Islamic State. There has been a nationwide push across the US to remove Confederate symbols from public squares.

    “The nut cases tearing down monuments are equivalent to ISIS destroying history,” Judge Jim Hinkle wrote on Facebook Tuesday, the same day protesters in Durham, North Carolina toppled a statue honoring Confederate soldiers.

    On Saturday, Hinkle had written that protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia were “snowflakes” with “no concept of history,” as they came to counter a rally of white nationalists who gathered to oppose the planned relocation of a statue to Confederate General Robert E. Lee.

    “In Charlottesville everyone is upset over Robert E. Lee statue,” Hinkle’s post said. “It looks like all of the snowflakes have no concept of history. It is what it is. Get over it and move on. Leave history alone - those who ignore history are deemed (sic) to repeat the mistake of the past.”

    https://www.rt.com/usa/399832-georgia-judge-suspended-confederate-statues/

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Pastor calls for renaming of Chicago sites dedicated to Presidents George Washington and Andrew Jackson because they were slave owners as star of 'Hamilton' says it's time to have a discussion on the issue


    Pastor in Chicago asks city to remove names on parks in honor of George Washington and Andrew JacksonPastor James Dukes says the city should not honor slaves ownersDukes calls the honor a 'slap in the face' to the African-American community Dukes has written a letter to Mayor Rahm Emanuel making a formal requestChicago's Parks District says that Dukes can submit a petition to the city for a name change, an open process available to any resident of the city Former star of 'Hamilton,' Leslie Odom Jr said the issue of statues named for slave owning presidents shouldn't be off the table when spotted at LAX

    A pastor in Chicago has requested that Mayor Rahm Emanuel remove the names of two parks in honor of George Washington and Andrew Jackson because they were slave owners.

    Bishop James Dukes, pastor of Liberation Christian Center, said he believes that the city should not honor men who saw other human beings as property, especially in Chicago's black communities.  

    'When my children and grandchildren walk through these parks and say, "Grandfather, wasn't he a slave owner?"... 'how do I explain that and how do I reconcile that with their views of what heroes are?' Dukes told local affiliate WGN9. 

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4797240/Pastor-says-statues-slave-owning-presidents-go.html
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    this instantly springs to mind



    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    “The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”

    George Orwell

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Now black lawmakers say it's time to get rid of Confederate statues in Congress – including Jefferson Davis and a host of rebel military officers

    • Leader of the Congressional Black Caucus says statues of Confederate politicians and military officers have no place in the U.S. Capitol
    • Each state sends two statues to be displayed in Statuary Hall
    • Nine of the 22 likenesses donated by states from the former Confederacy depict their civil war heroes
    • A black Democrat from Mississippi also wants his state's flag taken down from the U.S. Capitol because it incorporates the Confederate battle flag
    • Deadly violence over the weekend in Charlottesville, Virginia was sparked by a neo-Nazi march that objected to the removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee

    The national debate about the fate of statues honoring Confederate politicians and military officers has reached a new level, with a black lawmakers' group saying such memorials should be banned from the U.S. Capitol.

    It turns out there are plenty of them.

    'We will never solve America's race problem if we continue to honor traitors who fought against the United States in order to keep African-Americans in chains,' Congressional Black Caucus Chairman Cedric Richmond, a Louisiana Democrat, told ABC News.

    'By the way, thank God, they lost,' he said.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4797134/Black-lawmakers-Confederate-statues-Capitol.html
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    New York City church removes two plaques honoring Confederate General Robert E. Lee

    • The plaques commemorate a tree planted by General Robert E. Lee in the 1840s outside St. John's Episcopal Church 
    • They were installed in 1912 by the United Daughters of the Confederacy
    • The Episcopal Diocese of Long Island agreed to take down the plaque in light of the recent violence in Virginia
    • Activists are still hoping to change the names of two streets inside Fort Hamilton named for Lee and Stonewall Jackson
    • Army officials say the streets were originally named in a spirit of reconciliation

    Leaders of a New York Episcopal diocese have taken down two plaques honoring Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from a church property in Brooklyn.

    Bishop Lawrence Provenzano, leader of the Episcopal Diocese of Long Island was present as the two plaques outside St. John's Episcopal Church were being removed Wednesday.

    The United Daughters of the Confederacy markers commemorated the spot where Lee was said to have planted a tree while serving in the U.S. Army at Fort Hamilton in New York in the 1840s. A second plaque made note of that. Workers used power tools to remove them.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4795552/NYC-church-remove-2-plaques-honoring-Robert-E-Lee.html


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator

    Georgia judge suspended for comparing removal of Confederate monuments to ISIS actions



    I made the exact comparison today at work in conversation
    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator

    Georgia judge suspended for comparing removal of Confederate monuments to ISIS actions



    I made the exact comparison today at work in conversation
    Seems we're all on the same page.  Here's an excerpt from a post I made above in this same thread.

    We have students from wealthy families attending colleges paid for by their loving parents and denouncing themselves and their families as "overprivileged whites" and just as effective in turning landmarks of their culture such as statues and artwork into rubble as ISIS or moderate rebels  would do in Iraq or Syria.



    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator

    Proof Charlottesville car attack staged

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator

    Georgia judge suspended for comparing removal of Confederate monuments to ISIS actions



    I made the exact comparison today at work in conversation
    Seems we're all on the same page.  Here's an excerpt from a post I made above in this same thread.

    We have students from wealthy families attending colleges paid for by their loving parents and denouncing themselves and their families as "overprivileged whites" and just as effective in turning landmarks of their culture such as statues and artwork into rubble as ISIS or moderate rebels  would do in Iraq or Syria.



    Great minds think alike :)
    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator

    Police Ordered to STAND-DOWN In Charlottesville, Paid Protesters Exposed


    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator


    Date: 8/17/2017 2:30:28 AM

    PROGRESSIVE CHANGE CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE (PCCC)



    Seeks to help inexperienced progressive candidates win congressional electionsSupports the implementation of a "public option" in healthcare reformWas opposed to extending the Bush-era tax cuts, which were slated to expire, in 2010

    The Washington, DC-based Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC) works “to elect bold progressive candidates to federal office and to help [them] and their campaigns save money, work smarter, and win more often.” Focused especially on minimizing the “mistakes and inefficiencies” in the campaigns of “inexperienced candidates,” PCCC views itself as a complement to the Progressive Majority, which provides support to leftist candidates running on the state and local, rather than the federal, levels. Seeking ultimately to move the Democratic Party further to the left politically, PCCC's priority is to identify and assist progressive, rather than conservative or moderate, Democratic candidates. In fact, PCCC does not entirely rule out the possibility that it may someday work to unseat conservative Democrats.

    PCCC was founded in January 2009 by a group of leftwing operatives from MoveOn.org and labor circles. PCCC co-founder Adam Green, who formerly served as MoveOn's Director of Strategic Campaigns, strives to help first-time candidates recruit good campaign staffers and make more effective use of the Internet. By so doing, Green explains, candidates can save tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in consultant fees.
    read more:
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=7625

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator

    Why Was This 'Crowd Hire' Company Recruiting $25 An Hour 'Political Activists' In Charlotte Last Week?


    Aug 16, 2017 4:45 PM Zero Hedge

    Trump ignited a political firestorm yesterday during an impromptu press conference in which he said there was "blame on both sides" for the tragic events that occurred in Charlottesville over the weekend.   

    Now, the discovery of a craigslist ad posted last Monday, almost a full week before the Charlottesville protests, is raising new questions over whether paid protesters were sourced by a Los Angeles based "public relations firm specializing in innovative events" to serve as agitators in counterprotests.

    The ad was posted by a company called "Crowds on Demand" and offered $25 per hour to "actors and photographers" to participate in events in the "Charlotte, NC area."  While the ad didn't explicitly define a role to be filled by its crowd of "actors and photographers" it did ask applicants to comment on whether they were "ok with participating in peaceful protests."  Here is the text from the ad:

    Actors and Photographers Wanted in Charlotte

    Crowds on Demand, a Los Angeles-based Public Relations firm specializing in innovative events, is looking for enthusiastic actors and photographers in the Charlotte, NC area to participate in our events. Our events include everything from rallies to protests to corporate PR stunts to celebrity scenes. The biggest qualification is enthusiasm, a "can-do" spirit. Pay will vary by event but typically is $25+ per hour plus reimbursements for gas/parking/Uber/public transit.

    For more information about us, please visit www.crowdsondemand.com

    If you're interested in working with us, please reply to this posting with the following info:

    • Full Name
    • Prior relevant experience (as an actor/performer, photographer, brand ambassador, political activist, etc)
    • When are you usually available for work?
    • Resume (optional)
    • If you're a photographer, what equipment do you use?
    • Are you ok with participating in peaceful protests (optional)?

    And a screenshot of the original post:

    Craigslist

     

    So what is "Crowds on Demand?"  According to their own website, they're in the business of sourcing large crowds of people to "provide clients with protests, rallies, [and] flash-mobs" all over the country.  They even have an entire page on their website dedicated to "Protests and Rallies."

    read more:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-16/why-was-crowd-hire-company-recruiting-25-hour-political-activists-charlotte-last-wee

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    'You lost, get over it': Arizona mother turns a monument remembering dead Confederate soldiers into a '2nd place participation' trophy (and she's a registered Republican!)


    Rebecca McHood, 37, is a Gilbert-based an activist and registered Republican She performed stunt out of 'outrage' against Donald Trump's press conferenceMs McHood attached banners reading '2nd place participant' and 'you lost, get over it' to the Confederate memorial at Wesley Bolin Memorial Plaza 

    An Arizona mother turned a monument dedicated to remembering dead Confederate soldiers into a '2nd place participation' trophy.

    Rebecca McHood, 37, a Gilbert-based activist and registered Republican, said she performed the stunt out of 'outrage' against Donald Trump's press conference on the violence in Charlottesville and in reaction to Arizona governor Doug Ducey's refusal to remove Confederate memorials from state grounds.

    Ms McHood attached banners reading '2nd place participant' and 'you lost, get over it' to the Confederate memorial at Wesley Bolin Memorial Plaza, outside the Arizona Capitol.   


     http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4799120/Arizona-mother-turns-Confederate-monument-trophy.html


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    edited August 17

    Can’t we all just get along? Ben Carson reveals his Virginia home was vandalized with anti-Trump graffiti in post saying America is being 'threatened by bigotry on all sides'

    • The only black member of President Donald Trump's Cabinet - Ben Carson - is urging Americans to take the 'high road' to fight bigotry
    • After the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend, Carson told a story about a neighbor in rural Maryland who put up a Confederate flag
    • Other neighbors, Carson says, quickly put up American flags - shaming the neighbor, who then removed the Confederate flag 
    • Carson also told of how neighbors cleaned up anti-Trump graffiti after his Virginia home was vandalized

    Ben Carson has revealed his house was recently vandalized with anti-Trump rhetoric while condemning urging Americans to take the 'high road' against bigotry after violence in Charlottesville.

    The Housing Secretary wrote on Facebook that his home in Virginia was covered in messages criticizing the president while he was out of town - but his embarassed neighbors cleaned it up before he returned.

    He started the post explaining how one person put a Confederate flag up when he moved into a rural Maryland neighborhood. 

    Other neighbors, Carson says, quickly put up Star-Spangled Banners in response - shaming the neighbor into removing his flag.

     http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4797262/The-Latest-Ben-Carson-urges-high-road-fight-bigotry.html
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Donald Trump slams removal of historic statues as Confederate figures come down.. 


    Donald Trump has said US history and culture is being "ripped apart" by the removal of statues.


    The President, whose intervention follows the planned removal of a Confederate monument in Charlottesville that sparked a violent far-right rally, said such actions were "foolish".

    He wrote on Twitter: "Sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments.

    "You can't change history, but you can learn from it. Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson - who's next, Washington, Jefferson? So foolish!

    "Also the beauty that is being taken out of our cities, towns and parks will be greatly missed and never able to be comparably replaced!"

    http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-slams-removal-of-historic-statues-10992524

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator



    I fully support NOT taking down the statues. However, this is hilarious 
    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    see no need for destruction, removal or violence to get your point across

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

     

    ‘Can’t change history, learn from it’: Trump opposes monuments removal

    US President Donald Trump has come out against the removal of Confederate monuments, as activists seek to tear down what they call symbols of the country’s racist past.

    “Sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments,” Trump said in a series of tweets Thursday morning. “You can't change history, but you can learn from it.”

    https://www.rt.com/usa/399909-trump-tweets-confederate-monuments/

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    edited August 17
    Can't help wondering what the ripped down statues and memorials are likely to be replaced with.  History may not always be what we wish but what's been etched in time is still reality even after erasure and it has shaped the countries we live in. Events of today seem far more detrimental to humanity's future than those of yesteryear. Globally people are still being forcibly removed from their homelands and loved ones and children are still being stolen and sold in the white slave trade.  Since abolition of slavery in USA African Americans have been successful in many fields and contributed greatly to their country.  America had a black President in a vote cast by all Americans. Statues weren't ripped down while he was in power. Why is it now that we have a white President all this trouble is manifesting?  More behind this than meets the eye.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Can't help wondering what the ripped down statues and memorials are likely to be replaced with. 
    Trayvon Martin?


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    Work crews remove statue of Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger B. Taney from Maryland State House under the cover of darkness

    • Work crews spotted early Friday morning at Maryland State House in Annapolis
    • Prepared to remove 145-year-old statue of former Chief Justice Roger B. Taney
    • Taney wrote the 1857 decision in Dred Scott case, denying blacks citizenship
    • Decision in that case is said to be the indirect cause for the Civil War 

    Work crews have moved onto the grounds of the Maryland State House in Annapolis after midnight to remove a statue of former Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger B. Taney.

    Taney, a Maryland native, wrote the 1857 decision in Dred Scott v Sandford that denied black people US citizenship, and which is said to be the indirect cause of the Civil War.

    Washington Post reporter Josh Hicks tweeted a photo of the crew placing straps around the statue around 1am on Friday.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4801586/Crews-remove-Roger-Taney-statue-Maryland-State-House.html


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Monument to Confederate president Jefferson Davis in Arizona is tarred and feathered

    • Monument to Davis in Gold Canyon, Arizona found vandalized on Thursday
    • Roadside marker is second monument vandalized in the state this week
    • Comes amid a wave of backlash against Confederate monuments nationwide

    A monument to Confederate president Jefferson Davis in Arizona has been tarred and feathered.

    The marker honoring the Confederacy's only president was found covered in the black tar and white feathers on Thursday near Gold Canyon, Arizona on the outskirts of Phoenix.

    The monument was erected in the 1940s by the United Daughters of the Confederacy. 

    It comes amid a wave of backlash directed at Confederate monuments and simmering racial tensions nationwide, and is the second defacement of a monument in Arizona this week. 


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4801488/Jefferson-Davis-monument-Arizona-tarred-feathered.html


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    edited August 18

    Monument to Confederate president Jefferson Davis in Arizona is tarred and feathered

    • Monument to Davis in Gold Canyon, Arizona found vandalized on Thursday
    • Roadside marker is second monument vandalized in the state this week
    • Comes amid a wave of backlash against Confederate monuments nationwide

    A monument to Confederate president Jefferson Davis in Arizona has been tarred and feathered.

    The marker honoring the Confederacy's only president was found covered in the black tar and white feathers on Thursday near Gold Canyon, Arizona on the outskirts of Phoenix.

    The monument was erected in the 1940s by the United Daughters of the Confederacy. 

    It comes amid a wave of backlash directed at Confederate monuments and simmering racial tensions nationwide, and is the second defacement of a monument in Arizona this week. 


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4801488/Jefferson-Davis-monument-Arizona-tarred-feathered.html

    A monumental disaster. The only workaround might be to send a work crew round to pluck the feathers.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    edited August 18
    Seriously if vandals continue to get away with these acts without fear of being caught, how far will they go. These tributes to history whether good or bad should be monitored by CCTV 24/7.

    This article comes up with an idea:

    What to do with Confederate statues?

    August 11, 2017 10.59am AEST  from "The Conversation"
    Confederate General P.G.T. Beauregard is removed from the entrance to City Park in New Orleans. REUTERS/Cheryl Gerber

    Author



     James Glaser

    Professor, Dean of the School of Arts & Sciences, Tufts University

    Disclosure statement

    James Glaser does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond the academic appointment above.

    Could Russia teach us something about how to deal with difficult aspects of our national history?

    Many places in the South – from New Orleans to Louisville – are in the process of bringing down statues that glorify the Confederacy. That process raises questions about what to do with these remnants of the past. Do we just toss them into the ash bin of history, purging them as if they never existed?

    As a student of southern politics who recently traveled to Moscow, I wondered if we can look to the Russians and how they have treated their Soviet past. The situations are not perfectly analogous. Many Russian people lived through the Soviet experience. Not so for the Confederacy. That said, in both cases, there is the question of whether – and how – to purge the past.

    From propaganda to kitsch

    In Moscow, and in the former Soviet Union in general, there is Soviet detritus all over the place. Hammers and sickles are chiseled into buildings, bridges and other infrastructure. Sculptures of happy, heroic soldiers, workers and farmers sit on the platforms in the Moscow metro. Seven massive “Stalin buildings” dot the city.

    read more:
    http://theconversation.com/what-to-do-with-confederate-statues-81736

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    More than 60% of Americans want Confederate monuments to stay, poll finds, as US towns debate whether they should go into a museum... or the dumpster

    • A new poll shows 62% of people said statues should remain as historical symbols
    • It come days after a violent rally by right-wing groups to protest removal of a statue of Confederate general Robert E Lee in Charlottesville, Virginia
    • The poll offers a measure of support for President Trump's stance on the issue
    • Located mostly in the southern United States, there are some 1,500 symbols of the pro-slavery Confederacy which fought and lost a war to secede from 1861-65

    More than 60 per cent of Americans say that statues of Civil War figures associated with the defense of slavery should be left in place, a new poll has revealed.

    Days after a violent rally by right-wing groups to protest removal of a statue of Confederate general Robert E Lee in Charlottesville, Virginia, 62 per cent of people said the statues should remain as historical symbols.

    The poll from NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist offers a measure of support for President Donald Trump's stance on the issue.

    'Sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments,' he tweeted Wednesday.

    Just 27 per cent of people said that the monuments should be removed from parks, roads and schools across the United States.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4802042/Over-60-Americans-want-Confederate-statues-stay.html
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    Is there another underlying reason for the vandalism?

    City workers prepare to clean graffiti from the statue of Confederate President Jefferson Davis in Richmond Va Thursday Nov 10 2016 The graffiti reads Your Vote Was A Hate Crime AP PhotoSteve Helber
    City workers prepare to clean graffiti from the statue of Confederate President Jefferson Davis in Richmond, Va., Thursday, Nov. 10, 2016. The graffiti reads “Your Vote Was A Hate Crime.” (AP Photo/Steve Helber)

    http://www.rep-am.com/news/national/2016/11/10/12-arrests-during-trump-protest-in-richmond-statues-damaged/

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    An Excerpt:

    Limbaugh: Who is really behind Charlottesville bloodshed?

    'Somebody thought they would benefit from this. That's why this happened. The cops let it happen'

    Published: 4 days ago

    Charlotte Schilling

    Limbaugh continued:

    Charlottesville is Ferguson. Charlottesville is Baltimore. It’s going to be used as an excuse for the media to smear their political enemies. Trump first, conservatives second, Republicans third. But this incident has nothing to do with Trump, it has nothing to do with the Republican Party, and it has nothing to do with conservatism.

    What it does have to do with is a minority of sick people drawn to sick fringe groups. White supremacists and the Nazis and the extremist far-left Antifa deserve each other. They’re bound by hate. They’re both bound by racism, yet pretend they have nothing in common. By all means investigate what happened in Charlottesville. Who were the organizers? Who funded them? Nothing would surprise me with the Antifa. I want to know.

    I want an in-depth investigation of just what happened and who these people are because we already know how these people operated during the Republican primaries at Trump rallies. We know they were bought and paid for and they were trained by a guy named Robert Creamer who is married to a Democrat member of Congress. George Soros is in the mix as well. But you’re not supposed to say any of this today. No, you can’t say this today. Today is reserved for 100% condemnation of Trump and his association with these right-wing — so-called “right-wing” fringe groups.

    Police: ‘We’re leaving. It’s too dangerous’

    So where were the police amid this perfect storm of radical groups spewing hate and violence?

    David Weigel at the left-leaning Washington Post reported that activists chanted “black lives matter” before violence broke out and a car plowed into the crowd.

    http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/limbaugh-who-is-really-behind-charlottesville-bloodshed/


    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator

    "First They Came For The Statues..."

    Tyler Durdens picture
    Aug 18, 2017 1:44 PM Zero Hedge

    Authored by James Howard Kunstler via Kunstler.com,

    First they came for the statues….

    What do you know, long about Wednesday, August 16, 2017, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Cal) discovered that the United States Capitol building was infested with statues of Confederate dignitaries. Thirty years walking those marbled halls and she just noticed?

    Her startled announcement perked up Senator Cory Booker (D- NJ) who has been navigating those same halls only a few years. He quickly introduced a bill to blackball the offending statues.

    And, of course, the congressional black caucus also enjoyed a mass epiphany on the bronze and stone delegation of white devils.

    I’d like to hear to hear an argument as to why the Washington Monument should remain dedicated to that vicious slave-driver and rebellious soldier, and indeed the name of the city that is the federal seat of government. Or the District of Columbia (after Columbus, who initiated the genocide of Native Americans). Or America, cribbed out of Amerigo Vespucci, the wicked Florentine cartographer who ascertained that the place called Brazil today was not the east coast of Asia but actually a New World — and so all our troubles began!

    Well, there has been a lot of idle chatter the past half-century about the root causes of this-and-that, and it seems that we have located one at last. I expect that scientific studies out of our best universities will soon confirm that occult transmissions from the statue of Jefferson Davis (a double-devil named after an earlier devil) are responsible for the murder rate in Chicago.

    Just as empires tend to build their most grandiose monuments prior to collapse, our tottering empire is concocting the most monumentally ludicrous delusions before it slides down the laundry chute of history. It’s as if the Marx Brothers colluded with Alfred Hitchcock to dream up a melodramatic climax to the American Century that would be the most ridiculous and embarrassing to our posterity.

    In the meantime, many citizens await Monday’s spectacle of a total solar eclipse in parts of the country. They apparently don’t realize that another eclipse has been underway for months: the total eclipse of reality across the entire landscape of the USA. Now that has been an event to behold, not just some twenty-minute freak of astronomy. What’s being blacked out is the perilously fragile condition of the financial system - a great groaning Rube Goldberg contraption of accounting fraud, grift, statistical deceit, and racketeering that pretends to support the day-to-day activities of our national life.

    For months, the recognition of this oncoming financial monster has been blocked by the hallucination of gremlins from the Kremlin infiltrating the recent presidential election. But just as that mirage was dissolving, along comes the treacherous invasion of the Confederate statues. It begins to look like the final piece of the puzzle in the Deep State’s quest to eject Donald Trump from the oval office. His response to the deadly statue situation (“…why not Washington and Jefferson…?”) was deemed so obtuse and unfeeling that even the rodents of his own nominal Republican Party want to jump his ship of state.

    So, the set-up could not be more perfect! The country will now get down to the business of a months-long 25th Amendment circle-jerk at the very moment that the financial system flies apart.

    The damage from the financial clusterfuck will be much more real, and much worse, than anything that might be spun out of the anti-statue crusade hogging the headlines today. It will be interesting to see whether the old legacy media even reports on it as it happens, or whether they will cook up new and more bizarre entertainments to distract the public from what might be the ultimate swindling of a lifetime.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-18/first-they-came-statues

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator


    This article comes up with an idea:

    What to do with Confederate statues?


    http://theconversation.com/what-to-do-with-confederate-statues-81736

    Really interesting suggestion/article, good post. 
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  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator

    By DAHB007

    Mindless Protesters Mistakenly Attack PEACE MONUMENT - THE DIVISION


    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    Image result for peace monument atlanta

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    Related image
    Beforehand.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    that is because they can't think for themselves, all been brainwashed
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator

    Abraham Lincoln Bust Torched in Chicago

    by Chris Black August 17, 2017, 5:25 pm  from The Issue

    abraham lincoln torched chicago

    It appears like the Marxist revolution is now in full effect in the United States, as we just got word about an Abraham Lincoln statue being vandalized by Chicagoans following the new leftist obsession with Civil War era monuments. Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president of the US and on January 1 1863 he freed the slaves.

    And in 2017, after being propagandized for years by radical-left community organizers working in collusion with the leftist mainstream media, Chicagoans defaced and damaged America’s 16th president statue in Englewood. According to a report via The Washington Times, the giant bust of President Abraham Lincoln has been sprayed with a flammable liquid then ignited. Pictures of the defaced monument surfaced on social media on Wednesday night courtesy of a local NBC affiliate Alderman Raymond Lopez who wrote:

    “What an absolute disgraceful act of vandalism. This bust of Abraham Lincoln, erected by Phil Bloomquist on August 31, 1926, was damaged & burned. If anyone has any information regarding this act, please contact the police or my office immediately.”

     

    Meanwhile, in Chicago, President Lincoln statue torched, defiled

    *He freed the slaves pic.twitter.com/ubR8yshmIx

    — Chet Cannon (@Chet_Cannon) August 17, 2017

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    On New Year’s Day in 1863, Republicans rejoiced and Democrats cursed while denouncing Abe Lincoln, as the GOP’s Emancipation Proclamation started producing effects. DEM politicians and a number of sympathizing newspapers slammed President Lincoln for freeing the slaves. Horatio Seymour, who was New  York’s governor at the time described the Emancipation Proclamation as, let me quote:

    read more:
    https://www.theissue.com/politics/abraham-lincoln-bust-torched-in-chicago

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    For those interested, Marxism and what these gangs of people are doing to objects around America are wholly unrelated, and I'm still confused as to why they're associated with one another throughout the media and academia. In fact, that Lincoln monuments and peace monuments are also now being attacked only adds to my confusion. 
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  • Watch a Mark Dice video and you will understand why these groups are also targeting Lincoln monuments and Peace monuments.  When you can get people to sign petitions to ban gun ownership by law abiding citizens so that only police and "criminals" will be able to have them, you know you're not dealing with actual thinking beings.  It's also a pretty much established fact that the larger the mob, the lower the collective IQ.  Put those two things together and sprinkle in some far left ideology and their actions are not at all surprising.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    This movement has seemingly been put together in a way it's starting with statues and working itself up into a collective frenzy and no doubt gathering more supporters with each completed attack. The lack of control on the part of authorities and even a show of keenness to support the far left by removing statues themselves could be seen as both weakness and approval.  We could be seeing the tearing apart of the fabric of society as we know it unless this anarchy is stopped in its tracks now. We should ask ourselves whether the perpetrators will be happy to go home and put the bins out once a week  once all the statues are destroyed.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator

    Hitting the pause button before things spin out of control


    This Friday Aug 11 2017 image made from a video provided by Vice News Tonight shows a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville Va For all the words flowing since last weekend in Charlottesville the most striking television reporting has been Vice Media39s insider account of the white nationalist movement and what it has wrought Correspondent Elle Reeve39s initial story of the weekend violence took up the entirety of HBO39s half-hour quotVice News Tonightquot broadcast Monday Aug 14 and by Thursday had been viewed more than 36 million times on TV and online Vice News Tonight via AP
    This Friday, Aug. 11, 2017, image made from a video provided by Vice News Tonight shows a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va. For all the words flowing since last weekend in Charlottesville, the most striking television reporting has been ... more >
    By Mercedes Schlapp - - Thursday, August 17, 2017

    ANALYSIS/OPINION:

    Emotions are high following the violent protests in Charlottesville. An innocent life was lost when an individual affiliated with the neo-Nazi movement killed Heather Heyer.

    Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are deceitfully pretending to be the voice for white America. But these fringe extremists are in reality a symbol of weakness and hatred.

    There is no room in America for their beliefs. Yet they feel empowered. They misconstrued and used “Unite the Right” as their theme of the rally, yet no true conservatives share their offensive views — despite the liberal media’s efforts to attach the two. Conservatives and President Trump continue to condemn these white supremacists time and time again.

    read more:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/tv_vices_moment_04148jpg-7025cjpg/



    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are deceitfully pretending to be the voice for white America.  But these fringe extremists are in reality a symbol of weakness and hatred.

    I am not a fan of Neo-Nazis or white supremacists but I have to ponder.  For a number of years now, the cries of whites being responsible for every evil committed have been getting louder and louder.  The far left and every SJW that has crawled out from under a cow pie has called for equality.  But from their rhetoric, it seems that every other skin color should be more equal than white.  Every ill in society is my fault because I'm white and I'm expected to apologise for anything and everything my long dead ancestors may or may not have done.  I am to be suppressed.

    I truly believe in MLK's philosophy that people should be judged for their character and not the color of their skin.  This isn't something that BLM, Antifa or anyone on the far left has shown really matters to them.  Sure they'll say it but their actions are so loud it's hard to hear their words.

    My question is, "Are the Neo-Nazis or the white supremacists pretending to speak for white America, or are they expressing what more and more white people are beginning to feel?"

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    edited August 20
    tazweiss said:

    Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are deceitfully pretending to be the voice for white America.  But these fringe extremists are in reality a symbol of weakness and hatred.

    I am not a fan of Neo-Nazis or white supremacists but I have to ponder.  For a number of years now, the cries of whites being responsible for every evil committed have been getting louder and louder.  The far left and every SJW that has crawled out from under a cow pie has called for equality.  But from their rhetoric, it seems that every other skin color should be more equal than white.  Every ill in society is my fault because I'm white and I'm expected to apologise for anything and everything my long dead ancestors may or may not have done.  I am to be suppressed.

    I truly believe in MLK's philosophy that people should be judged for their character and not the color of their skin.  This isn't something that BLM, Antifa or anyone on the far left has shown really matters to them.  Sure they'll say it but their actions are so loud it's hard to hear their words.

    My question is, "Are the Neo-Nazis or the white supremacists pretending to speak for white America, or are they expressing what more and more white people are beginning to feel?"

    They're absolutely expressing what downtrodden white people feel, and that's how they get their recruits. It's the same way "Black Lives Matter" gets their recruits, by appealing to downtrodden black people with legitimate concerns who have given up on the system and see extremism as an opportunity to break out.

    Why does this happen? This happens because we live in a competitive, non-cooperative society, the exact opposite of what MLK envisioned (and I send a solid handshake in agreement your way regarding his philosophy). MLK talked about working together, addressing concerns using persistent, truth-based non-violent protest, ending poverty with basic incomes, and many other important things, features that are totally absent from today's society.

    We live in a civilization today where two philosophies reign: the majority seeks an absolute tyranny, and the slightest abridgement of the status quo is equated with persecution; and the minority, seeking survival amidst the crushing force of the majority, pursues a never-ending and morally-untethered list of grievances and exploits to ensure the momentum of that survivalist push doesn't stagnate and reverse.

    Here's two peculiar examples of this taking place in American society:

    (1) If one were to consult the majority and ask them which is worse, not being able to read a bible in school, and having to read it at home -- or -- a black person receiving a 15% longer sentence for the identical crime committed by a white person, the majority would in all cases likely favour the former, because the majority requires absolutism in its reign. It needs this because if it doesn't constantly shore up its power structure, it will slip away and it will no longer be the majority. Thus, any concession that doesn't directly relate to the maintenance of the majority's position will probably be ignored, and if it's pursued, it's only done so at the majority's peril.

    (2) If one were to ask the minority at what point they would be satisfied with changes undertaken to society, in almost all cases they would have no answer. The "feminist" (who is somehow a minority despite being more numerous than man, but I digress) who demands equal pay for the sake of equal pay (for herself, but not for people in general, such as men), always demands more: she now wants paid maternity leave; she now wants maternity leave paid at her normal salary; she now demands to sit on the board of directors because she is female; she now demands that laws be changed that uplift women and restrict men. The same with political fundamentalists whose philosophy derives from the melanin content of their skin. They want reparations from the productivity reaped by slavery (which wouldn't be entirely unreasonable for families descending from slaves if discussed by sober minds). They want guaranteed jobs (for themselves, but not for everyone, such as white people). They want exclusively black institutions, but majority-exclusive institutions must be fought against. The minority has to do this because the way society works, because if they don't, there will be a slow roll back.

    Obviously, I'm belabouring the point. A healthy society can't continue in this way and live forever. Either the majority must reign absolutely, or one of the minorities must break through far enough that they, themselves, become the new majority. It's a cycle of violence and destruction born from a lack of cooperation. Majorities refuse to admit that they behave this way, and minorities refuse to relent. Societies that work this way always tear themselves apart into smaller units where stability is restored due to new majorities having been formed.

    This is why, to me at least, the whole "left vs right" thing is childish and meaningless. To attack the other side is essentially to validate, encourage and nourish their very effort. Resistance is essentially food in this never-ending conflict. 

    As for Antifa, they're a whole other animal. These guys aren't just ordinary people showing up somewhere and then getting out of control. These guys are hired, well-paid, and trained to cause a maximum amount of carnage and chaos. Just by watching their actions one can see that they're professional in everything that they do: when they see the police arrive, they immediately throw up their hands and shout, "Self-defense!", and when the police take them away, there are always lawyers on hand to take down their names to get them out; they're always well prepared with materials; they're always well-organized and have the ability to travel anywhere and be anywhere. They're essentially an externally-funded internal uprising and a massive threat, and I'm really surprised they're allowed to function anywhere at all. 
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  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    edited August 20
    P.S.

    Forgive the long reply, but I just thought it might be interesting to analyze the big picture that the MSM deliberately doesn't talk about so that people don't understand the whys and wherefores of what's going on - and thus feed the spiral into the abyss.
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  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    edited August 20
    Matt said
    This is why, to me at least, the whole "left vs right" thing is childish and meaningless. To attack the other side is essentially to validate, encourage and nourish their very effort. Resistance is essentially food in this never-ending conflict.


    As long as there are left and right factions warring there can be no middle which is the safest ground being moderate in all things. I agree with Matt that two party governments seem only intent on destroying each other, even once the voting's over and care nothing for their constituents or promises made.  The only value we have is to fund their lifestyle via increasingly higher taxes.

    They're essentially an externally-funded internal uprising and a massive threat, and I'm really surprised they're allowed to function anywhere at all. 

    They appear to be almost solely funded and encouraged by the network of organisations supporting a plethora of minority groups mentioned in another thread, created with blessing of a powerful leader who seeks control over the majority which includes white, black and brown people of all persuasions and beliefs igniting fear and suspicion as tools and encouraging hatred of fellow man.  It will be noticed that Charlottesville action seems mainly by the far white right.  There's few African Americans if any to be seen destroying statues. The powerful ones through these organisations are playing on the emotions of minority groups and using them.  Money, property and power are the end game and we are being played.

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    A total eclipse of SANITY: America under the spell of mass hysteria engineered by a dangerous, globalist-controlled media

    Saturday, August 19, 2017 by: Mike Adams 

    (Natural News) The total eclipse of sanity is now under way across America. Mass hysteria has gripped the minds of the gullible, many of whom now hallucinate their “reality” on a moment-by-moment basis.

    Before the Charlottesville violence, the entire Left of America was hallucinating Russians behind every corner. Now, they’re hallucinating Neo-Nazis everywhere they look. This isn’t hyperbole, either: The hysterical Left is quite literally hallucinating almost everything they now believe: That all Trump supporters are Hitler-saluting Nazis; that all White people are racists; that America is still a slave-ownership nation; that Civil War statues might come to life and put them all back in chains, and other absurdities.

    Never in the history of our country have so many people been brainwashed to believes such obvious absurdities and lies. That’s because never before in our nation’s history has the globalist-run fake news media been so determined to undermine America and everything it stands for. The goal of the twisted, anti-America media as it operates today is to indoctrinate the masses with ginned-up hatred, intolerance and violence so that the nation can be thrust into a civil war from which radical Marxism, communism and Left-wing totalitarianism can sweep into power.

    Mass hypnosis generates two kinds of hallucinations

    Mass hypnosis generates two kinds of hallucinations:

    Positive hallucinations: Imagining things exist even when they don’t. For example, “the Russians hacked the election.”

    Negative hallucinations: Eliminating things that are right in front of your eyes, such as believing that when ISIS terrorists ram vehicles into crowds of innocent protesters, that’s somehow not terrorism.

    Here are some examples of the positive and negative hallucinations now being pushed by the media as part of the “total eclipse of sanity” now threatening America:

    read more:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-08-19-a-total-eclipse-of-sanity-america-under-the-spell-of-mass-hysteria-engineered-by-a-dangerous-globalist-controlled-media.html

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    MLK, Christopher Columbus statues vandalized in Houston parks

    By Margaret Kadifa, Houston Chronicle, John D. Harden, Mike Morris, and Brooke A. Lewis

    Updated 5:04 pm, Saturday, August 19, 2017

    Image result for christopher columbus vandalised

    Source: University of Maryland.

    Statue of Christopher Columbus was vandalized Thursday night at Bell Park Friday, Aug. 18, 2017, in Houston.

    Vandals splattered paint onto a bronze bust of Martin Luther King Jr. and a 7-foot-tall statue of Christopher Columbus in Houston as nationwide turmoil over historical statues spilled beyond the protests over Confederate monuments.

    The MLK statue in the historically black community of Sunnyside was found smeared with white paint early Thursday morning.

    The towering statue of Christopher Columbus in the Montrose area was doused with red paint sometime Thursday night, Houston police officials said Friday.

    http://www.chron.com/houston/article/Reports-Christopher-Columbus-statue-vandalized-11883027.php#photo-13829972



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    Defaced: Thugs Vandalize MLK Monument, Statue

     
    Courtesy Mansfieldjournalcom
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    Mansfield, OH - A disgraceful act of vandalism in Mansfield.

    A monument and statue of Martin Luther King, Jr. was defaced overnight in Central Park.

    The punks used white and yellow spray paint to scrawl a swastika and the words 'White Power' on the national icon's memorial. 

    Police are investigating.

    http://www.cleveland19.com/story/9697121/defaced-thugs-vandalize-mlk-monument-statue



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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Thousands petition to swap Confederate statue for Missy Elliott

    A petition to replace a Confederate monument in Virginia with a Missy Elliott statue has been signed by more than 20,000 people.

    The campaign, started by Virginia resident Nathan Coflin, seeks to take down a monument of a Confederate soldier in the city of Portsmouth and replace it with one of the Work It rapper, who was born there.

    http://news.sky.com/story/thousands-petition-to-swap-confederate-statue-for-missy-elliott-10998960


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    University of Texas to remove statues of General Robert E. Lee and other Confederate figures because school president believes they've become 'symbols of white supremacy'


    niversity of Texas President Greg Fenves has ordered the removal of statues of General Robert E. Lee and other prominent Confederate figures from a main area of campus. 

    Fenves announced the move late Sunday night, saying such monuments have become 'symbols of modern white supremacy and neo-Nazism.'

    The university moved a statue of former Confederate President Jefferson Davis from its perch near the campus clock tower to a history museum in 2015. 

    Fenves now says statues of Lee, Confederate Gen. Albert Sidney Johnston and Confederate Postmaster General John H. Reagan also must be moved.

    The debate over public memorials for Confederate figures roared into national conversation last week after one person was killed in a clash between white supremacists and counter-protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia. 

    Six Flags Entertainment on Saturday said it has removed a Confederate flag from a Texas based theme park, reversing an earlier decision amid growing calls across the nation to take down symbols representative of southern slavery.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4808476/University-Texas-remove-Confederate-statues.html
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    edited August 21

    Protesters now demand removal of Central Park statue honoring 'father of modern gynecology' who conducted experiments on enslaved black women in the 1850s


    Protesters gathered in New York's Central Park on Saturday to demand the removal of a statue of a 19th century doctor who conducted experiments on African American women slaves.

    A bronze likeness of Dr. James Marion Sims stands at the entrance of Central Park at Fifth Avenue and 103rd Street in Manhattan.

    The statue, which was originally dedicated in 1894, stands to honor the man considered to be 'the father of modern gynecology.'

    According to the New York City Parks Department, Sims, who was born in South Carolina in 1813, owned slaves.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4808254/Protesters-want-removal-statue-controversial-doctor.html


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    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Have these people only just noticed that these statues exist?>
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator
    edited August 21

    Thousands petition to swap Confederate statue for Missy Elliott

    A petition to replace a Confederate monument in Virginia with a Missy Elliott statue has been signed by more than 20,000 people.

    The campaign, started by Virginia resident Nathan Coflin, seeks to take down a monument of a Confederate soldier in the city of Portsmouth and replace it with one of the Work It rapper, who was born there.

    http://news.sky.com/story/thousands-petition-to-swap-confederate-statue-for-missy-elliott-10998960


    Really black people? Whelp, you choose a fine piece of Sh*t for a human to represent your race. If Missy Elliot is the best person you can think of, that might be indicative of how much you contribute to American Society. 
    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    More likely a failure of imagination on the part of those protesting rather than a failure of contribution, since I can think of three right off the top of my head who would be interesting. And in case anyone is wondering, no, I didn't select Kanye West as one of those three, and yes, I'm honestly surprised he hasn't entered into the discussion anywhere on this issue.
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  • mrpops09_CMOD_mrpops09_CMOD_ Chief Moderator
    More likely a failure of imagination on the part of those protesting rather than a failure of contribution, since I can think of three right off the top of my head who would be interesting. And in case anyone is wondering, no, I didn't select Kanye West as one of those three, and yes, I'm honestly surprised he hasn't entered into the discussion anywhere on this issue.
    There are over 20,000 people stupid enough to sign that petition. I am willing to be 99% of them are on food stamps 
    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Meanwhile they continue spreading their version of unity and peace

    Texan Andrew Schneck held over Confederate statue 'explosives'

    Police in Houston have arrested a man for allegedly trying to plant explosives at a Confederate statue.

    Federal prosecutors say the man from Texas was trying to maliciously damage or destroy the statue of Richard Dowling, a lieutenant in the Confederate army.

    Andrew Schneck, 25, is being questioned after he was found with two boxes with duct tape and wires and a bottle containing liquids that could be used to make explosives, prosecutors said.

    http://news.sky.com/story/texan-held-over-confederate-statue-explosives-10999567


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    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    'Symbols of subjugation': University of Texas removes Confederate monuments

    In the latest chapter of the denunciation of Confederate monuments across the US, the University of Texas has removed several statues from its campus in Austin during the night, calling them "symbols of subjugation" revered by white supremacists.

    In the early hours of Monday, crews at the University of Texas began to haul away monuments of Confederate General Robert E. Lee and other prominent figures who fought for the South during the American Civil War. The university’s president, Greg Fenves, gave the order for their immediate removal late Sunday night.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/400435-texas-removes-confederate-monuments/


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Sneaking around removing statues in the dead of night.. what next?
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • It's interesting but sad to watch such a great nation being torn apart by mindless mobs.  Members of those mobs, when asked, usually don't even know what they're trying to destroy or why.  A case in point would be the sudden fervor to tear down so many of the statues and monuments.  I would hazard a guess that, two days before they go out to protest and take down one of these symbols, 95% to 99% of those people have no idea who or what the symbol represents.  I'd even go so far as to say that even during the protest they have no idea.  They are only there because it's a chance to vent, or they're getting paid to be there.

    I also suspect that many of the people in authority and politicians are only jumping on the bandwagon to get their names in the news in order to raise their profiles.  They don't really care about that particular symbol, they just want to be seen as one of the "cool kids" and to remind people that they exist.

    Unfortunately, this kind of mob mentality is contagious and it's spreading rapidly.  I sometimes wonder how long before it spreads north, to my country.  Oh well, we'll get a small reprieve from it soon.  Winter is coming and mobs don't like the cold.

    If the politicians treat people this poorly when they're armed to the teeth,

    just imagine what they'll be willing to do once they've disarmed everyone.

  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    or the rain
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator

    New Confederate monuments are going up and these are the people behind them

    By Emanuella Grinberg, CNN

    Updated 1704 GMT (0104 HKT) August 19, 2017


    Story highlights

    • The Sons of Confederate Veterans work behind the scenes to preserve monuments
    • Some members fear they're losing ground to white nationalists

    (CNN)Since 2007, John Culpepper had been anticipating this moment: the unveiling of a statue to the common Confederate soldier in his hometown of Chickamauga, Georgia. In November of last year, three days before Donald Trump won the presidency, it became a reality.

    Culpepper founded the local chapter of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the self-described historic honor society that's been keeping the Confederate legacy alive for more than a century.
    Culpepper greeted visitors with smiles and handshakes as they filed into rows of white folding chairs behind the towering, shrouded statue. Most of them were his neighbors from Chickamauga, a town of some 3,000 people near the Tennessee border. Some were dressed in the uniforms of Confederate soldiers; a woman and her daughter came dressed in hoop skirts, and bikers wore leather jackets and bandanas awash in Confederate flags.
    The monument, erected on the grounds of an antebellum plantation that's now owned by the city, was dedicated to soldiers of the Confederate Army of Tennessee. It's the unit that local men fought for during the Civil War -- what the town still refers to on its website as the "War Between the States."

    read more:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/new-confederate-monuments/index.html

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  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    tazweiss said:

    It's interesting but sad to watch such a great nation being torn apart by mindless mobs.  Members of those mobs, when asked, usually don't even know what they're trying to destroy or why.  A case in point would be the sudden fervor to tear down so many of the statues and monuments.  I would hazard a guess that, two days before they go out to protest and take down one of these symbols, 95% to 99% of those people have no idea who or what the symbol represents.  I'd even go so far as to say that even during the protest they have no idea.  They are only there because it's a chance to vent, or they're getting paid to be there.

    I also suspect that many of the people in authority and politicians are only jumping on the bandwagon to get their names in the news in order to raise their profiles.  They don't really care about that particular symbol, they just want to be seen as one of the "cool kids" and to remind people that they exist.

    Unfortunately, this kind of mob mentality is contagious and it's spreading rapidly.  I sometimes wonder how long before it spreads north, to my country.  Oh well, we'll get a small reprieve from it soon.  Winter is coming and mobs don't like the cold.

    Really good comment overall.

    I think the highlighted portion is the most part for everyone to consider: we live in a system where the common man is completely ignored, and when that goes on long enough, frustrated or desperate people start doing foolish things because the only recourse left for them is to do foolish things; we also live in a system where the idol of money can basically allow anyone with enough of it to do anything they want, including changing the system for their advantage without repercussion. Either is a recipe for a community's collapse, let alone both hammering on the common man at the same time.
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  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Lomax6996 said:
    It brings up an interesting point: if the statues really mean that much to people, or on the other hand, if the statues really offend people that much, why is it that we're only seeing the extremists on either side battling over keeping them up and taking them down? The common American doesn't seem to care either way. Too busy attempting to survive, I suppose.
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  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator

    Thousands petition to swap Confederate statue for Missy Elliott

    A petition to replace a Confederate monument in Virginia with a Missy Elliott statue has been signed by more than 20,000 people.

    The campaign, started by Virginia resident Nathan Coflin, seeks to take down a monument of a Confederate soldier in the city of Portsmouth and replace it with one of the Work It rapper, who was born there.

    http://news.sky.com/story/thousands-petition-to-swap-confederate-statue-for-missy-elliott-10998960


    Really black people? Whelp, you choose a fine piece of Sh*t for a human to represent your race. If Missy Elliot is the best person you can think of, that might be indicative of how much you contribute to American Society. 

    Perhaps something along these lines might stir our patriotic hearts...
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  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Why don't we just replace all the statues with those of President Obama? 
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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Confederate memorial in Maryland inscribed with the names of dozens of soldiers is removed and will be placed in a museum

    • A Confederate memorial outside a courthouse in Ellicott City, Maryland was removed Monday night
    • The controversy and scrutiny over Confederate monuments continues to intensify in the wake of the deadly attack in Charlottesville, Virginia
    • The news was revealed on Howard County Executive Allan H. Kittleman's official Facebook page
    • The politician said: 'The more appropriate place for the memorial is in a museum, along with other artifacts and information on the Civil War'

    A Confederate memorial outside a courthouse in Ellicott City, Maryland was removed Monday night.

    The controversy and scrutiny over Confederate monuments continues to intensify in the wake of the deadly attack in Charlottesville, Virginia, earlier this month.

    The news was revealed on Howard County Executive Allan H. Kittleman's official Facebook page.

    He shared several pictures that show the memorial outside the Circuit Court in Ellicott City being removed and placed onto a truck.

    The monument includes the names of dozens of Confederate soldiers from the area.

    Kittleman wrote alongside the images: 'Photos from Monday night when the Confederate memorial was removed from outside the Circuit Courthouse in Ellicott City.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4813606/Confederate-memorial-removed-outside-Maryland-court.html
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Why don't we just replace all the statues with those of President Obama? 

    Missy Elliott, hero of the resistance?


    Name: Missy “Misdemeanor” Elliott.

    Age: 46.

    Appearance: New arch-enemy of the Nazis.

    Really? Has she foiled another scheme to steal the Ark of the Covenant? No, she’s still basically just a rapper.

    A rapper who hasn’t been famous for 15 years. That’s unfair. Elliott’s fame might have peaked with Get Ur Freak On in 2001, but don’t forget that she also appeared in the 2015 Super Bowl halftime show. They don’t let you do that unless you’re really famous.

    I remain unconvinced. Fine. They’re making a statue of her. Happy now?

    Are they? Well, they might. There’s a petition to build one in Portsmouth, Virginia. It’s only 3,000 signatures away from reaching its target, too.

    How does this make her arch-enemy of the Nazis? It’s because the proposed statue would replace the town’s existing Confederate monument: a 35ft granite obelisk built 140 years ago to honour the roughly 600 Portsmouth and Norfolk county men who gave their lives to the Confederacy. The pillar is surrounded by four statues of Confederate soldiers holding guns.

    Yeesh. Yes. And, since the planned removal of a statue of General Robert E Lee is what prompted the horrific Unite the Right protests and counterprotests in Charlottesville, Virginia, it is clear the Elliott petition is an overtly political act.

    But why Elliott? Portsmouth is her home town. But, also, in the words of petition organiser Nathan Coflin: “Together we can put white supremacy down, flip it and reverse it. Ycamerpus Etihw!”

    Is that last bit Latin? No, it’s “white supremacy” backwards. Do keep up.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/shortcuts/2017/aug/21/what-should-replace-confederate-statues-missy-elliott-hero-of-the-resistance

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Henry bill would replace Confederate statue with Mary McLeod Bethune

    State Rep. Patrick Henry, a Bethune-Cookman University graduate, has joined in the effort to replace a rendering of a Confederate War general as one of two statues representing Florida in National Statuary Hall in Washington, D.C.

    Henry, a Democrat from Daytona Beach, filed a bill Tuesday seeking the replacement of Confederate Gen. Edmund Kirby Smith’s statue with one of Mary McLeod Bethune, founder of Bethune-Cookman and the first African-American woman to lead a federal agency, serving as director of the Division of Negro Affairs during President Franklin Roosevelt’s tenure.

    Henry’s bill is a companion to a bill filed by Sen. Perry Thurston, D-Fort Lauderdale. The Legislature voted in 2016 to replace Smith’s statue, and the Senate voted this year in support of Bethune as the replacement, but the House but failed to vote on a nominee.

    Bethune was the only finalist to receive a unanimous vote from the Great Floridians Committee and earned the most votes in an online poll, Henry said in a news release.

    http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20170822/henry-bill-would-replace-confederate-statue-with-mary-mcleod-bethune


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Confederate statues aren't the only monuments people want torn down

    It’s open season on statues.

    Or so it seems: This month’s violence between white supremacists and counterprotestors over removing a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville, Va., has fast-tracked plans to take down some of the nation’s 718 memorials to the Confederacy. But it also has unleashed a rash of demands that long-standing and hitherto innocuous statues and memorials be destroyed.

    Fox News has compiled a list of five memorials and monuments that are now alleged to be deeply offensive and in need of disposal. 

    Columbus Circle statue (New York): Sitting on the southwestern edge of Central Park, Columbus Circle is one of the Big Apple’s most iconic locales. Since 1905, a statue of Christopher Columbus has stood atop the 76-foot tall monument, but in recent years – as the explorer’s life and legacy is re-examined – some have started calling for its removal.

    Many Italian-Americans view Columbus as a hero responsible for discovering the New World and have turned the city’s Columbus Day Parade into a celebration of Italian heritage. Others, particularly those in New York’s large Puerto Rican and Dominican populations, believe history should not be so kind to Columbus, saying he used enslavement, disease and trickery to oppress and kill thousands of indigenous people in the Americas.

    Now as the city reviews which statues to potentially purge in the wake of Charlottesville, New York City Council Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito wants Columbus added to the chopping block. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio has not offered his opinion, but added that the Columbus statue is “one of the ones that will get very immediate attention because of the tremendous concerns about it.”

    Despite the recent recasting of Columbus – and the prominence of the busy traffic circle – many New Yorkers say they did not know that the explorer was such a contentious historical figure.

    “I never knew Christopher Columbus was so controversial,” Robin Kelly, who lives near Columbus Circle, told Fox News. “I just though he sailed the ocean blue.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/22/confederate-statues-arent-only-monuments-people-want-torn-down.html

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    edited August 22
    Nineteen Eighty-Four

    Part Two

    Section 5

    George Orwell

    Already we know almost literally nothing about the Revolution and the years before the Revolution. Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. 



    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    Thousands Are Petitioning for a Statue of Heather Heyer to Replace the Robert E. Lee Monument in Charlottesville

    petition on The Petition Site made a similar case: "32-year-old Heather Heyer was there to oppose [the white supremacists'] bigotry, racism, and violence. She was there out of peace and love. And she was killed for it. Instead of honoring with a statue a man who symbolizes the worst part of America, let's honor a young woman who represents the best part of America."

    The petitions have garnered over 1,800 and 5,700 signatures, respectively, are not the only digital efforts meant to take down the numerous Confederate monuments that still exist in the U.S. In fact, a crowdsourced spreadsheet has asked individuals to identify the locations of every Confederate memorial that still exists—as well as indicate if there are protests planned in effort to dismantle them. Already, more than 150 monuments across 20 states have been identified.

    https://www.glamour.com/story/heather-heyer-statue-petition-charlottesville


    People in Charlottesville are remembering the 32-year-old woman who died yesterday at a counter protest following a white supremacist rally. Today, police identified her as Heather Heyer. As we mentioned, she was killed when a suspected white supremacist allegedly drove his car into a crowd of people. Mallory Noe-Payne from member station WVTF has the story.

    MALLORY NOE-PAYNE, BYLINE: At the site where Heather Heyer died, people came all day, delivering candles, notes of sympathy and flowers. Heyer worked in Charlottesville as a paralegal. Leaving work Friday with her friend and co-worker Courtney Commander, they debated whether to go to this weekend's rally at all.

    COURTNEY COMMANDER: She said to us many times, like, I want go so bad, but I just don't want to die. I'm so scared because these people are so serious. And she was the only one that lost her life. I just feel so bad.

    NOE-PAYNE: Commander says, while Heyer had never protested before, she always spoke up.

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/13/543259457/a-look-into-the-life-of-charlottesville-victim-heather-heyer

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    Call to end ‘silence’ on indigenous history

    ABCs indigenous editor Stan Grant
    ABC’s indigenous editor Stan Grant.
    • The Australian
    • 12:00AM August 22, 2017
    • Indigenous broadcaster Stan Grant is calling for the “great ­silence” about inaccuracies in our indigenous history to end, starting with correcting an inscription on a Captain Cook statue claiming that the English explorer discovered Australia.

    Echoing the debate in the US over the removal of statues of Confederate generals, Grant, the ABC’s indigenous editor, says the 1829 statue should not be removed from Sydney’s Hyde Park but it would be apt to correct it.

    Grant told The Australian he wanted to draw attention to the different ways indigenous history was treated in Australia and the US, where violence, controversy and a national debate erupted after a concerted push to remove Civil War memorials.

    “Americans are tearing down the monuments to hate, but we remain oblivious to ours,” he said.

    “We certainly don’t grapple with it in the way America does. Thinking about the difference ­between the two countries, in Australia there is more of an ­apathy, of not even going there and letting it lie.”

    read more:

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/indigenous/call-to-end-the-great-silence-on-our-indigenous-history/news-story/1867214c3120ad93a989d28444334577?nk=872ecfcfe9e1942884edd1312397c3e3-1503450989

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Rosie_MOD_Rosie_MOD_ Moderator
    Agreed Cook didn't discover Australia, however he did map the east coast. I trust the current contagion and nastinesss from USA doesn't find its way here to Australia.  Removing statues doesn't change history.  We should honour indigenous Australians with respect as our First Nation people and value the culture they have shared with us and learn from that as we brought little of true value to humanity with us to this land.

    "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    Actually taking the time to learn what they have to teach would be worth far more than any statue, that's for sure
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    Three arrested as councilors vote to shroud Confederate statues at meeting overwhelmed by anger

    Three Charlottesville residents are facing misdemeanor charges after Monday evening’s raucous City Council meeting that was taken over by those demanding answers for the city’s handling of the Aug. 12 Unite the Right rally. 

    Donna Gasapo Gray, 43, was charged with disorderly conduct. Two others, Mark Heisey, 30, and Sara Michel Tansey, 29,  were chared with obstruction of justice. 

    The council agreed to continue the meeting following the arrests, but cancelled the planned agenda. The meeting then turned into a town-hall style meeting that ended after 1 a.m. Tuesday morning. 

    http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/three-arrested-as-councilors-vote-to-shroud-confederate-statues-at/article_5a42f7a8-86d0-11e7-87a5-23ba81576181.html

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    Should New York City remove statues of its anti-Semitic Dutch governor?

    Amid US debate over the removal of Confederacy leaders’ statues, Israeli NGO Shurat Hadin is calling to tear down memorials to 17th century Jew hater Peter Stuyvesant

    One of these things is not like the others.

    Amid the impassioned debate over whether, when and how to remove statues memorializing the Confederacy, an Israeli nonprofit is seeking a piece of the action. On Tuesday, Shurat HaDin, the Isreal Law Center, which represents terror victims in court, called on New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio to remove all memorials to Stuyvesant, the last Dutch director-general of New Amsterdam (now New York), who was a known anti-Semite.

    “Peter Stuyvesant was an extreme racist who targeted Jews and other minorities including Catholics and energetically tried to prohibit them from settling in then New Amsterdam,” read a statement by Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, Shurat HaDin’s president. “New York, of all American cities, which boasts such important Jewish history and claims such a present day vibrant Jewish community, should take the lead in denouncing Stuyvesant’s bigotry.”

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/should-new-york-city-remove-statues-of-its-anti-semitic-dutch-governor/


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    Activist says statues will come down, regardless of official action

    Charlottesville — Obscuring the images of Confederate generals in a black shroud is a good start, but area residents opposed to the statues of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson in Charlottesville say it’s a matter of time before they come down.

    The lingering debate over the fate of the statues in two downtown parks has been met with calls on social media and in public meetings for residents to pull the statues down if the city doesn’t remove them.

    “When your city government doesn’t listen to you, you have to take action,” said Jamie Dyer, a local musician and social activist who on his Facebook page has called for pulling the statues down.

    “I’m not saying we’re organizing anything right now, and I’m not going to talk about that,” Dyer said. “But I know a lot of people who are talking about it. The statues coming down is something that will happen. It’s in the air.”

    http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/activist-says-statues-will-come-down-regardless-of-official-action/article_399cc431-83dc-5698-8a35-21e337ec64e2.html

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    Movement to remove San Francisco statue gains attention

    San Francisco is now joining the nationwide debate surrounding the removal of controversial statues.

    Demonstrations in Charlottesville, Virginia turned violent after white Nationalists protested the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue and now dozens of Confederate statues across America have been coming down.

    In New York City, a Christopher Columbus monument may be next on the chopping block and in San Francisco, a pioneer statue is fanning the flames of Native Americans.

    The statue is part of a 800-ton monument which sits between the Asian Art Museum and the Main Library near San Francisco City Hall.

    It's topped by a large statue of the goddess of wisdom and war, but the controversial part is down below on the eastern side called "Early Days."

    "I mean it just off the bat, it looks degrading as it is," said Dustin Shafae.

    The statue depicts a half-clothed Native American sitting on the ground, with a Spanish cowboy and missionary standing over him. The cowboy's hand is raised in victory, while the missionary's one hand is pointing toward Heaven, the other outstretched toward the prone American Indian.

    A Facebook group of about 200 people calls the statue racist and wants it gone.

    http://www.ktvu.com/news/275448557-story


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    how long before they demand the American flag is removed?
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    they certainly burn plenty of them during their peaceful protests 
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    'He died for us!' Leftie wanting to tear down Nelson’s Column SHUT DOWN in heated clash

    A LEFTIE commentator was labelled a “nasty bully” during a car crash interview after calls for Nelson’s Column in Trafalgar Square to be torn down.

    Columnist Afua Hirsch, who in an opinion piece on the Guardian website highlighted Nelson when discussing the 700-odd confederate statues pulled down in the United States, was shut down for criticising the major British historical figure.

    Violent protests broke out in Charlottelsville, Virginia last week in an angry dispute over the removal of a statue of confederate figure General Lee.

    Appearing on Channel 4 News, Laura Perrins, co-editor of political website The Conservative Woman, criticised Ms Hirsch for attacking the role of a “national hero”.

    Ms Perrins also accused the columnist of now trying to change the debate.


    She said: “You’re shifting the debate here. Now you’re saying we want to discuss it. Previously you’d said you wanted to tear down the statue of a national hero who gave his life for this country.

    “Lord Nelson was critical in bringing about an end to the slave trade. The Battle of Trafalgar was won in 1805 which meant that Britain controlled the high seas.

    “Then when Wilberforce passed the international Slave Trade Act two years later, 1807, Britain was able to control the seas and actually enforce that Act against all other colonial slave trades. 

    “If it wasn’t for British control of the high seas, the international slave trade may well have continued.

    “He was absolutely critical in dying for his country and actually making sure that Act counted and didn’t lay dying on the statute book.

    “So, you can certainly look at him as a whole in history books but this idea that we’re going to go around tearing down monuments of national heroes just reveals the left as the kind of nasty bullies that they are.”

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/844710/lord-nelson-column-horatio-admiral-slavery-uk-statue-guardian-afua-hirsch-laura-perrins

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    The lefty Bully in Question: Afua Hirsch

    Afua Hirsch is a writer, broadcaster, barrister and human rights development worker of Ghanaian, English and Jewish heritage.Wikipedia
    BornJune 12, 1981 (age 36), Stavanger, Norway

    In August 2017, Hirsch called for Nelson's Column to be destroyed, claiming it is a symbol of white supremacism

    Journalist Afua Hirsch claims Nelson’s Column should be pulled down because naval hero was ‘racist’

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/video/news/journalist-afua-hirsch-claims-nelsons-column-should-be-pulled-down-because-naval-hero-was-racist/
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator
    The lefty Bully in Question: Afua Hirsch

    Afua Hirsch is a writer, broadcaster, barrister and human rights development worker of Ghanaian, English and Jewish heritage.Wikipedia
    Born: June 12, 1981 (age 36), Stavanger, Norway

    In August 2017, Hirsch called for Nelson's Column to be destroyed, claiming it is a symbol of white supremacism

    Journalist Afua Hirsch claims Nelson’s Column should be pulled down because naval hero was ‘racist’

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/video/news/journalist-afua-hirsch-claims-nelsons-column-should-be-pulled-down-because-naval-hero-was-racist/
    This is important, and people need to start awakening to this before everything is truly taken away from them
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