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Catalonia hurtles towards independence - get live news and updates here

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edited October 16 in Daily News


Preliminary results show that 90% of those who voted in Catalonia's independence referendum backed leaving Spain, Catalan officials say.

Catalonia's government said that of the 2.2m voters who were able to cast ballots in the banned referendum, two million voted for independence.

Regional president Carles Puigdemont said Catalonia had "won the right to become an independent state", adding he would keep to his vow to declare independence unilaterally if separatists win more than 50% of the vote.

However, Spanish PM Mariano Rajoy insisted that no independence referendum had occurred and that those who took part had been "fooled" into participating in a vote declared illegal by the country's constitutional court.

http://news.sky.com/story/catalonia-referendum-90-of-voters-back-independence-catalan-officials-say-11064026

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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    edited October 3

    THE Spanish government has been accused of acting like North Korea after blocking websites in a clampdown on Catalan’s independence referendum.

    The Catalan regional government claimed the move threatened freedom of speech in the EU state as Spanish authorities’s attempts to crush the independence vote intensified.

    A regional government spokesman said: “What they’re doing by blocking domain name servers is doing what Turkey does and what China does and what North Korea does.”

    “No western democracy does that. The internet is the kingdom of freedom.”

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/859693/Catalan-referendum-independence-website-blocked-Spain-government


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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Catalonia urges EU to mediate on independence, ‘secretly prints’ referendum ballots

    The European Union must play the role of a mediator in the dispute between Catalonia and Spain, Catalan officials say. Activists are also reportedly printing ballots for the Sunday’s independence referendum in a secret location.

    Catalan Foreign Affairs Chief Raül Romeva said that it was the EU’s duty as a repository of democratic values to put pressure on Madrid to allow the plebiscite.

    “We call on the EU institutions (...) to stand for the values and principles (of the EU treaty),” Romeva said at a press-conference in Brussels, as cited by Reuters.

    “Civil rights are being violated ...and the quality of democracy in Spain is being eroded,” he added.

    The Spanish authorities have labeled the Catalan independence vote “unconstitutional” and are actively working to prevent it.

    Thousands of additional police have been deployed to the region, with orders to take control of the voting booths.

    https://www.rt.com/news/404934-catalonia-independence-referendum-ballots/


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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    They are asking help from a Institution who despises independence, Sovereignty & Democracy?
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    Catalonia SHOCK: Independence from Spain would be the 'END OF EUROPE’ ex-French PM warns

    CATALONIA winning independence from Spain would be the “end of Europe” according to the former French Prime Minister Manuel Valls.

    Tensions have reached crisis point between Catalonia and Spain as security forces have been called in to stop the independence referendum from taking place on Sunday. 

    The Spanish Government have claimed the referendum of the region in the northwest of Spain is illegal and is desperately trying to stop it. 

    Now the French Prime Minister has waded into the debate and suggested an independent Catalonia could signal the end of Europe. 

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/859915/Catalonia-referendum-latest-news-independence-Spain-Manuel-Valls-end-of-Europe

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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Catalan high court orders Google to block email being used for independence vote

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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Catalan independence vote IT systems 'shut down'


    Civil Guard agents raid a communications centre as people hold sit-ins at polling stations to try to stop police closing them.

    Spain's foreign minister has insisted "there is no referendum" in Catalonia, as authorities claimed to have pulled the plug on the vote's IT systems.

    Alfonso Dastis told Sky News there are "no voting premises, no ballot papers... no authorities to check the authenticity of the result".

    However, he admitted there could be "sham voting" in the region, located in Spain's northeast, where millions could turn out, according to some projections.

    Mr Dastis said police would act proportionately on Sunday but that authorities were having to deal with "intimidation and harassment" from vote supporters.

    http://news.sky.com/story/catalonia-independence-vote-it-systems-shut-down-11060561

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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Illegal referendum gets under way in Catalonia amid fears of violence

    Pro-independence campaigners camp out overnight, many with children, to stop the Spanish closing polling stations in schools.

    An illegal referendum in the Spanish region of Catalonia is under way despite a massive effort by the Spanish central government to stop it.

    Late into the night, at schools in Barcelona, pro-independence campaigners camped out, many with children, in an attempt to keep the schools open to ensure they can be used as polling stations today.

    At the Joan Pelegrí School in the Barcelona district of Sants, scores of children played in the courtyard until late.

     

    http://news.sky.com/story/illegal-referendum-gets-under-way-in-catalonia-amid-fears-of-violence-11062371


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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Riot police in stand off as illegal Catalonia independence vote begins

    Scuffles break out at some polling stations as voters chant and wave their ballot papers in the air.

    Riot police have pushed back voters at some polling stations in Catalonia as an illegal independence referendum gets under way in the Spanish region.

    Officers in helmets faced off against chanting crowds and there were scuffles in Girona, with some people waving their ballot papers in the air.

    Guardia Civil police in the northeastern city used a hammer to smash their way into one polling station.

    But Sky's Europe Correspondent Mark Stone, in Catalan capital Barcelona, said the situation was so far remaining peaceful there.

    http://news.sky.com/story/illegal-referendum-gets-under-way-in-catalonia-amid-fears-of-violence-11062371



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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    European Democracy for all to see
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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Catalonia referendum: Riot police STORM polling stations as independence vote begins

    RIOT police have stormed polling stations in Barcelona as Catalonia’s independence referendum gets underway.

    Spanish riot police were deployed shortly before polling stations opened, according to El Pais newspaper. 

    A video on El Pais website showed helmeted riot police in a standoff with a group of angry voters near a voting station at a Barcelona school. Voters raised their hands and shouted "out".

    The National Police were deployed after the Catalan regional police did not close polling stations in line with a court order.

    Spain’s interior ministry says national police and the Civil Guard have begun to seize ballot boxes and voting papers. 

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/860909/catalonia-referendum-independence-news-police-spain-polling-stations-vote-result-latest

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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Catalonia independence vote: 'Hundreds injured' in referendum clashes


    Rubber bullets are fired and batons are used on protesters - but the Spanish government says police are acting proportionately.

    At least 337 people have been injured in clashes as police try to stop Catalonia's illegal independence poll, authorities say.

    The figure came from the regional government's spokesman, Jordi Turill, who blamed "Spanish state police violence".

    But deputy prime minister Soraya Saenz de Santamaria said police had acted professionally and proportionately.

    Riot officers fired rubber bullets and used batons on crowds protesting in Barcelona on Sunday, sending people running for cover.

    Police vans drove down the road as protesters who had been sitting on the street fled, and witnesses said some people were bleeding.

    http://news.sky.com/story/police-fire-rubber-bullets-at-voters-in-barcelona-as-catalonia-poll-turns-violent-11062579


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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Over 460 Injured  


    Sky News Europe Correspondent Mark Stone, who was at the scene, collected one of the large ball projectiles, which he said were "pretty hard".

    He said it was unclear whether there was any spark that caused police to act over what appeared to be a largely peaceful protest.

    He said: "It has been chilling. I have seen riot police in action in many parts of the world. Normally riot police are dealing with riots.

    "These were people carrying out what they believe was their democratic right - going into polling stations peacefully, putting a mark on a peace of paper and putting it in a box.

    "And for doing that, in the European Union, police were pulling them out by their hair...they were being stamped upon they were being thrown to one side - and then rubber bullets being used to disperse them."

    http://news.sky.com/story/police-fire-rubber-bullets-at-voters-in-barcelona-as-catalonia-poll-turns-violent-11062579

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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Catalonia independence vote: Spanish foreign minister says police violence 'not extraordinary'


    Alfonso Dastis defends the use of force by Spanish police after hundreds of people were injured in clashes across the region.

    Spain's foreign minister has claimed police violence during Catalonia's illegal independence vote was "not extraordinary".

    Sky's Europe Correspondent Mark Stone challenged Alfonso Dastis on tactics used by Spanish security forces as more than 460 people were injured across the region.

    http://news.sky.com/story/catalonia-independence-vote-spanish-foreign-minister-says-police-violence-not-extraordinary-11063534


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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    ‘Not European anymore’ Furious Catalans slam EU for silence over police violence in Spain

    SILENCE from the European Union in the face of a violent referendum in Spain has been condemned with one furious politician saying he no longer wants to be European.

    Images of bloodied pensioners and police firing rubber bullets into peaceful crowds shocked the world today as Catalonia attempted to hold a referendum on independence from Spain.

    The Spanish interior ministry called the referendum illegal and said it will not recognise the result.

    Meanwhile armed police were called to schools to shut down polling stations and remove voters.

    As early reports emerged of more than 300 injured citizens and more than 10 police officers, Europeans took to the internet to condemn the silence from the EU.

    Spain is a member state and the EU has insisted Madrd deal with the issue internally.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861042/Catalans-slam-EU-silence-Spanish-police-attack-independence-vote

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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator
    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    In Barcelona, people gathered to watch the Spanish prime minister’s speech on a big screen. When he said that the majority of people had not wanted to participate in the referendum, the crowd reacted with derision and anger.

    The Catalan government’s pollster recently found that 70% wanted a referendum on the territory’s future, although support for independence is only 41%.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/oct/01/catalan-independence-referendum-spain-catalonia-vote-live

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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    761 injured in violence, says Catalan department of health

    A total of 761 people needed assistance from Catalonia’s Medical Emergency Systems, according to the Catalan department of health. A total of 335 have been hurt in Barcelona alone.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/oct/01/catalan-independence-referendum-spain-catalonia-vote-live

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Catalonia independence referendum: Spain DENIES police brutality

    THE Spanish government has denied the Guardia Civil and the national police used excess force in their attempts to stop the referendum from going ahead in Catalonia.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861076/Catalonia-independence-referendum-Guardia-Civil-brutality-vice-president


    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Spain will answer to international courts over violence - Catalonia spokesman

    MADRID, Oct 1 (Reuters) - The Spanish government will answer to international courts over violence by police that has left at least 465 people injured during a banned referendum in the northeastern region of Catalonia, the regional spokesman said on Sunday.

    “The Spanish state has been very compromised and will end up responding to the international courts,” Catalonia’s regional government spokesman Jordi Turull said during a press conference.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/spain-politics-catalonia-court/spain-will-answer-to-international-courts-over-violence-catalonia-spokesman-idUKE8N1KC03L

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Rajoy said Sunday that the rule of law had prevailed in Cataloniabecause an independence referendum in the region prohibited by the courts had been blocked.

    “Today there has not been a self-determination referendum in Catalonia. The rule of law remains in force with all its strength,” he said in a televised address.

    Security forces “performed their duty” in Catalonia and respected a court order to prevent voting from taking place, he added in his first public comments Sunday on the referendum.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/oct/01/catalan-independence-referendum-spain-catalonia-vote-live

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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Catalan referendum: 'Hundreds hurt' as police try to stop voters

    Catalan emergency officials say 761 people have been injured as police used force to try to block voting in Catalonia's independence referendum.

    The Spanish government had pledged to stop a poll that was declared illegal by the country's constitutional court.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41461032

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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Is Spain trying to revive ETA?

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Today the ghost of fascism stalked Catalonia. But it did not count on the response 

    On 1 October 2017, the ghost of Francisco Franco’s fascism descended on Catalonia. Officers with the Guardia Civil, Spain’s paramilitary police, attacked civilians who merely wished to participate in a referendum on independence. They included elderly people and children, who had occupied polling stations to ensure the vote went ahead.

    But it didn’t stop there, with riot police firing on voters with rubber bullets and baton rounds.

    Rubber bullets

    Early in the day, police entered polling stations to seize ballot boxes.

    It was late morning when reports first came in that police were firing rubber bullets at people in the streets, sustaining injuries. Then came this dramatic picture from Solidaridad Obrera, the news bulletin of the anarchist union the CNT (National Confederation of Labour):

    Another eye witness tweeted pictures of rubber bullets found on the ground:

    But this was not one lone cop. Video evidence emerged of several Guardia Civil officers firing at citizens:

    https://www.thecanary.co/global/2017/10/01/today-ghost-fascism-stalked-catalonia-not-count-response-tweets/

    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Everyone in Catalonia is going on strike after police violence at referendum


    A huge general strike has been called across Catalonia in response to violence. Pro-independence groups and trade unions have called for everyone in the state – more than three million people – to stay home from work on Monday, October 3.


    http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/01/everyone-in-catalonia-is-going-on-strike-after-police-violence-at-referendum-6969740/



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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Catalonia referendum: Merkel demands answers from Rajoy over police actions

    ANGELA Merkel has demanded answers from the Spanish leader Mariano Rajoy over the actions of the Guardia Civil and national police during a controversial referendum vote in Catalonia.

    The German Chancellor phoned the Spanish Prime Minister earlier today after apparent scenes of police brutality in attempting to stop the referendum going ahead were scene around the world, according to a report by the German newspaper Die Welt.

    However, the Spanish conservative government has denied there were any violent scenes with the Vice President Soraya Sáenz de Santamaría saying the police did not use disproportionate force in their attempts to prevent the vote. 

    Ms Santamaría said “actions were taken against electoral material, never against people.”


    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861102/Catalonia-referendum-independence-Angela-Merkel-Mariano-Rajoy-Guardia-Civil

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    Ms Santamaría said “actions were taken against electoral material, never against people.”




    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
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    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
  • Matt_ADMIN_Matt_ADMIN_ Administrator

    "EU has plunged into crisis as 90% of voters back independence, denouncements of violence against voters practically non-existent"


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/01/eu-crisis-catalonian-referendum-descends-violence/
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    "...Say, 'GOD is sufficient for me.' In Him the trusters shall trust." (Quran 39:38)
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    "Catalonia has won right to statehood" - Catalan Leader


    Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont says the Spanish region has won the right to statehood following a contentious referendum that was marred by violence.

    He said the door had been opened to a unilateral declaration of independence.

    Catalan officials later said 90% of those who voted backed independence in Sunday's vote. The turnout was 42.3%.

    Spain's constitutional court had declared the poll illegal and hundreds of people were injured as police used force to try to block voting.

    Officers seized ballot papers and boxes at polling stations.

    "With this day of hope and suffering, the citizens of Catalonia have won the right to an independent state in the form a republic," Mr Puigdemont said in a televised address flanked by other senior Catalan leaders.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41463719

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  • Lynsey_ADMIN_Lynsey_ADMIN_ Administrator

    Spanish FM says police actions in Catalonia ‘proportionate,’ number of injured rises to 840+

    The Spanish Foreign Minister has defended the actions of the national police amid the violence during the Catalan independence vote, restating the central government's claims that the actions were “proportionate,” while the number of injured surpassed 840.

    “You may think people were peacefully exercising their right to vote but the problem is this so-called referendum had been ruled illegal by the Constitutional Court,” Alfonso Dastis told SkyNews on Sunday.

    Dastis denounced the referendum as “sham voting,” accusing the organizers of bringing in rigged ballot boxes, full of pre-planted votes. The official did not provide any proof for the allegations, though.

    Spain's FM dismissed allegations of excessive police violence. "I don't agree with you that this is an extraordinary level of violence,” Dastis said.

    The Regional Catalan government, has meanwhile announced new figures for the injured in today’s clashes, which has surpassed 844.

    https://www.rt.com/news/405284-spanish-police-actions-proportionate-injuries/


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    Catalan police in tears as they shield referendum voters from Civil Guard

    Catalan police have been forced into multiple standoffs with Spain’s Guardia Civil after widespread and often brutal violence against voters at polling stations Sunday. Local support for the Mossos d’Esquadra has even brought the police to tears.

    Amid such violence and tension across Catalonia, heart-warming footage has emerged of teary-eyed members of the Mossos d’Esquadra standing arm in arm to defend polling stations from being attacked by Spanish police.

    In this footage, members of the Guardia Civil can be seen unceremoniously dumping voters outside a polling station reportedly in Gavá, before the local Catalan police intervene to rapturous cheers from the assembled crowd and cries of "Fascists!"

    https://www.rt.com/news/405253-spanish-catalonia-police-standoff/


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    01 October 2017

    23:37 GMT

    The massive police crackdown “prevented” an estimated 770,000 people from voting, Catalan government said.

     
    23:35 GMT

    The Catalonian branch of the largest CCOO trade union in Spain, as well Pimec and Cecot, have endorsed holding strikes on October 3 to protest the "violence" by "state security forces" who prevented voting during the referendum.

    https://www.rt.com/news/405135-spain-catalonia-independence-referendum/

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    Catalonia vows to go to intl. courts, calls on EU sanctions against Spain for referendum violence

    Catalan ministers have announced they are pursuing international justice following the Spanish government’s crackdown on voters in the Catalonia independence referendum.

    Announcing a two pronged response strategy, officials added that a process to institute anti-Madrid sanctions in the EU is already underway.

    "We will initiate formalities to activate the mechanisms of sanctions... We think that the actions of the Spanish state that the whole world is witnessing, put the image of the EU as a guarantor of democracy and human rights at risk," Catalan Minister of Foreign Affairs, Raul Romeva told a news conference in Barcelona Sunday.

    Catalan officials have initiated contact with various EU institutions, including the European Parliament and the European Commission, along with representatives of EU member states "in order to launch measures to penalize and control" Madrid, he added.

    The minister referred to the EU's Article 7, a law that can suspend a member state’s voting rights and impose sanctions on a country believed to have fundamentally violated human rights.

    https://www.rt.com/news/405295-catalonia-referendum-courts-sanctions/


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    I doubt the EU or the international court would do anything to upset the Pro EU apple cart.. Catalan has now seen first hand the Peaceful Unity & fictional democracy of the EU, especially when it comes to referendums 

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    Maduro to Spanish President Rajoy: Who's the Dictator Now?Jeremy Corbyn and Julian Assange have also condemned the Spanish government.Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro has attacked the Spanish president, Mariano Rajoy, for the violent crackdown on the banned Independence referendum in Catalonia."Who is the dictator now?" Maduro said, on a broadcast on state media network, VTV."Mariano Rajoy has chosen blood, sticks, blows, and repression against a noble people. Our hand goes out to the people of Catalonia. Resist, Catalonia! Latin America admires you," the president added.Over 840 people have been injured in disturbances across Catalonia, with police using rubber bullets and batons to disperse the protesters.Maduro also criticized Rajoy's threats against the 947 Catalan mayors, 75 high-ranking officials, as well as the heads of the public media and the local police for expressing support for the independence vote.https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Maduro-to-Spanish-President-Rajoy-Whos-the-Dictaror-Now-20171001-0015.html
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    REMOVE ALL SPANISH NATIONAL POLICE FROM OUR TERRITORY – CATALONIAN LEADER

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     Catalonia SILENCED: EU scrutinised on REFUSAL to criticise Spain and declares vote ILLEGAL

    BRUSSELS today refused to condemn the actions of Spanish police in Catalonia after clashes between riot clad officers and unarmed voters left more than 800 people injured, some seriously.

    The EU Commission faced a barrage of angry questions as it attempted to sidestep the issue of violence by Madrid-backed authorities in suppressing yesterday’s referendum. 

    Its chief spokesman repeatedly refused to be drawn on whether or not EU officials felt the actions of Spanish police were disproportionate, saying he would “not engage in this sort of judgement”. 

    Maragritis Schinas refused to be drawn on suggestions of infringement proceedings being taken against Madrid and tried to distinguish the Catalan case from abuses of Rule of Law in Poland and Hungary. 

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/861307/Catalonia-referendum-EU-refuses-condemn-violence-Spanish-police-officers

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    So, what will happen next? Will they leave? Will they all get punched in the nose?
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    probably get punched in the nose after Spain locks the area down
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    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
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    Catalonia crackdown a foretaste of EU political suppression - Nigel Farage MEP


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    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    After Catalan crackdown, EU will look hypocritical preaching about democracy – Irish MEP

    Unless EU leaders match their responses to what happened in Catalonia with their statements, they will be forever seen as hypocrites when trying to install democratic values in foreign countries, says Matt Carthy, MEP from Ireland.

    Almost 900 Catalan voters were injured in assaults by police during the Spanish region's independence referendum on Sunday. Madrid deemed the vote illegal, and the Spanish prime minister rejected the results.

    Despite Spanish government efforts to stop the referendum from going ahead, the Catalonian administration published the results with 90 percent supporting Catalonia's break from Spain.

    After a day of wide-scale violence and police brutality, deputies from the European Union proposed holding a session over what happened in Catalonia.

    However, European officials have remained mostly silent, arguing the issue is an internal one for Spain.

    https://www.rt.com/news/405525-catalonia-referendum-spain-eu/


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    Thousands take to streets in MASS uprising to bring Spain to its knees

    CATALONIA is at a standstill after thousands of protesters took to the streets during a mass strike to protest the Spanish government's violent crackdown on voters during the independence referendum.

    Shocking aerial footage shows thousands of people marching on the streets of Barcelona to protest against the Spanish Government's decision to ignore the results of the independence referendum in Catalonia.

    Catalans are observing a day of mass strikes all over the region against police brutality that saw nearly 900 people injured during the vote.

    Protesters are expected to come together in a massive rally in the city's Plaza de la Universidad in the late afternoon.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861742/Catalonia-spain-referendum-strike-independence-barcelona-catalunya-violence-video


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    Macron sparks FURY as he backs SPAIN in Catalonia independence row

    EMMANUEL Macron expressed his support for Spain’s “constitutional unity” on Monday to Spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy, according to a French presidential source.

    The French president reportedly told Mr Rajoy France stands behind Madrid following riots in Catalonia after the Spanish government deemed the region's independence referendum illegal. 

    The insider said: “The president underlined his support for Spain’s constitutional unity."

    But the source did not comment on whether Mr Macron had explicitly condemned the excessive use of force by Spanish police against people attempting to vote in Catalonia’s independence referendum over the weekend. 

    More than 800 people were injured on Sunday as riot police wielded batons and fired bullets at crowds attempting to cast their ballot in Catalonia’s banned referendum.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861892/Macron-outrage-supports-Spain-Catalonia-referendum

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    Spain's king says Catalan leaders broke the laws of the state

    Spain's King Felipe VI denounced the Catalan referendum and said "legitimate state powers" should "ensure constitutional order".

    Spain's king has said the leaders of Catalonia have broken the law and shown an inadmissible lack of loyalty.

    Addressing the nation after days of unrest, King Felipe said the region's leaders had behaved irresponsibly and are risking the whole country's economic stability.

    He went on to back Spain's government, saying the Catalan referendum for independence was illegal and undemocratic, and added that the state needs to ensure constitutional order and the rule of law.

    "Today Catalan society is fractured and in conflict," he said, referring to the crisis as a "very serious moment for our democratic life."

    The King made the address on the day of a massive Catalan general strike, held on Tuesday in protest at Spain's response to the weekend's referendum.

    Around 300,000 people took to the streets of Catalan regional capital Barcelona, closing metro stations, schools and cafes and in some places bringing the city to a standstill.

    Crowds shouted for national security to leave the city, branding them "occupation forces", and Barcelona football club refused to train as part of the strike.

    http://news.sky.com/story/spains-king-says-catalan-leaders-broke-the-laws-of-the-state-11066151


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    Catalonia leader has said region will declare independence 'within days'

    THE president of Catalonia Carles Puigdemont has said Catalonia will declare its independence within days.

    he leader told the BBC that the region would declare its independence by the end of this week or the beginning of next week. 

    This announcement comes afer Catalonia held a referendum on Sunday, which Madrid deemed as illegal.

    More to follow... 

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861976/Catalonia-Referendum-Spain-Carles-Puigdemont-independence-days-declare

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    Catalonia threads merged as situation gets extra-spicy. 
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    7.34pm: Spain refuses third party mediator

    The Spanish Government has dismissed calls for a mediator between Madrid and Catalonia

    Speaking to Politico, Spain’s European Affairs Minister Jorge Toledo said: “You can change the law, you can oppose it, but you cannot disobey it.”

    The Catalan Government has said to does not want a “traumatic break” from Spain. 

    President of Catalonia, Carles Puigdemont said: “There is no button to push for independence, it does not exist.

    “It is not a domestic matter. It’s obvious that we need mediation.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861727/Spain-Catalonia-update-crisis-independence-referendum-latest-news-Barcelona-live

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    Catalonia could BRING DOWN EU: Brussels warned NOT to wash its hands or risk its FUTURE

    THE CATALONIA referendum could spark the end of the European Union (EU) if Brussels continues to wash its hands of violent voting day scenes last weekend.

    The European Union has issued half-hearted condemnations of the violent scenes which saw Spanish police attack Catalonians attempting to vote in Sunday’s referendum. 

    And with Brussels ignoring calls to mediate the situation, which has seen thousands of people protest against police brutality, Catalan officials have now hit out the bloc over its cowardly silence. 

    Amadeu Altafaj, the Catalan government’s Brussels representative, said the EU’s “credibility and reputation” was being damaged by its solidarity with Spain

    And he said the horrific scenes last weekend, in which more than 800 people were injured by heavily-armed national guards, showed the EU “is not able to protect” its citizens. 

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/862100/catalonia-independence-referendum-european-union-eu-catalonia

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    Panicked Brussels issue Catalonia ultimatum: ‘If you quit Spain, you quit EU!’

    CATALONIA risks “abandoning the European Union” by splitting form Spain, a panicked Brussels warned today.

    The EU is scrambling to avoid a Catalexit, which would see the bloc disintegrate further after an already-chaotic 18 months. 

    More than two million Catalan voters braved police brutality, which left 800 injured, to choose independence for Catalonia in Sunday’s disputed referendum, according to Catalan authorities. 

    But the EU, as well as Spain’s central government, has condemned the vote as illegal and unconstitutional and are refusing to acknowledge the result. 

    In a last-ditch attempt to bring Catalonia back under control European Union officials have warned quitting Spain would also mean quitting the bloc. 

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/862293/catalonia-referendum-independence-european-union-eu

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    Today a spokesman for the European People’s Party, the largest party in the European Parliament, said Catalonia needed to acknowledge the “truth”. 

    He said: “Someone needs to tell the Catalan people the truth. If you contest the law to abandon Spain you also need to know that you abandon the EU.”


    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/862293/catalonia-referendum-independence-european-union-eu

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    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
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    Why would they even want to be part of a Fanatical madhouse who allowed a memberstate to use it's police force to prevent citizens from voting in a referendum?
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    And does the EU honestly think Catalonia wants independence from Spain just to hand the power back to fanatical EU
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    Spain sends in ARMY to Catalonia as it pushes region to brink over referendum

    SPAIN has sent two convoys of troops into Catalonia in a move that is likely to anger the regional parliament.

    Troops from the Logistic Support Group 41 (AALOG 41) who are based in Aragon were told of their move at about 7pm last night.

    The exact number of soldiers is not known but according to the newspaper El Confidencial, two contingents of troops are being sent in 20 trucks.

    It is understood their orders are to provide logistical support to the Guardia Civil and national police still stationed in the region.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/862295/Catalonia-crisis-army-Spain-troops-Barcelona-Carles-Puigdemont

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    Alert raised over prospect of chaos in Catalonia over referendum.
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    Brussels defends use of ‘proportionate force’ in Catalonia

    In a European Parliament debate, Commission First Vice President Frans Timmermans sided squarely with Madrid.

    STRASBOURG — The Spanish government’s “proportionate use of force” in Catalonia was necessary to uphold the rule of law, the European Commission declared on Wednesday.

    As the European Parliament opened a debate on the Catalonia crisis, Commission First Vice President Frans Timmermans sided unequivocally with the Madrid government.

    Timmermans minced no words in condemning the effort to hold an independence referendum as a violation of the Spanish Constitution and, therefore, as a threat to the rule of law in all EU countries.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-defends-use-of-proportionate-force-in-catalonia/

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    Both Germany and the EU despise those evil referendums, how dare the public get a vote on matters?, they have been Banned in Germany since ww2, how long before the EU forces the ban on European Memberstates?
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    Catalonia to move to declare independence from Spain on Monday

    MADRID/BARCELONA (Reuters) - Catalonia will move on Monday to declare independence from Spain, a regional government source said, as the European Union nation nears a rupture that threatens the foundations of its young democracy and has unnerved financial markets.

    Pro-independence parties which control the regional parliament have asked for a debate and vote on Monday on declaring independence, the source said. A declaration should follow this vote, although it is unclear when.

    Catalan President Carles Puigdemont earlier told the BBC that his government would ask the region’s parliament to declare independence after tallying votes from last weekend’s referendum, which Madrid says was illegal.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia/catalonia-to-move-to-declare-independence-from-spain-on-monday-idUSKCN1C9109

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    Catalonia referendum a ‘coup against Europe’, says vice president of EU Parliament


    One of the most senior EU officials has described the Catalan referendum as ‘a coup against Europe’. 


    After the vote on October 1, Ramón Luis Valcárcel, vice president of the EU Parliament, said: ‘Today we have witnessed a nationalistic propaganda act, undemocratic; a coup attempt against Spanish democracy, and so a coup against Europe.’


     Catalan officials said 90 percent of the 2.26 million voters had chosen to leave Spain, and will hold meetings to potentially move for secession as early as this week. But Mr Valcárcel, a Spanish politician and member of the ruling People’s Party, condemned the referendum saying Catalans had voted overwhelmingly in the past to approve Spain’s constitution which says the country cannot be divided. 

    Writing an opinion piece for The Globe and Mail, he said: ‘We are witnessing the first coup against democracy in the history of the European Union.


    http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/02/catalonia-referendum-was-coup-against-europe-says-eu-parliament-vice-president-6970344/

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    The only people carrying out a coup in Europe are the unelected EU, and have been for years
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    Brussels defends use of ‘proportionate force’ in Catalonia

    In a European Parliament debate, Commission First Vice President Frans Timmermans sided squarely with Madrid.

    STRASBOURG — The Spanish government’s “proportionate use of force” in Catalonia was necessary to uphold the rule of law, the European Commission declared on Wednesday.

    As the European Parliament opened a debate on the Catalonia crisis, Commission First Vice President Frans Timmermans sided unequivocally with the Madrid government.

    Timmermans minced no words in condemning the effort to hold an independence referendum as a violation of the Spanish Constitution and, therefore, as a threat to the rule of law in all EU countries.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-defends-use-of-proportionate-force-in-catalonia/

    This may be the most dangerous idea out of the EU yet.
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    Nigel Farage predicted many things, but even he was shocked at the events taking place in Catalonia by a Member State, and the EU turning a blind eye
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    "Before you embark on a Journey of Revenge, Dig Two Graves" Confucius (504 bc)
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
    "If angry, count to ten. This will give you time to find a weapon." - Will Spencer
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    Catalan President: 'We will carry out will of people'

    Carles Puigdemont says Catalonia will apply the result of a violence-marred referendum within days.

    The Catalan President has said his government will "carry out the will of the Catalan people" after the independence referendum.

    Carles Puigdemont criticised Spain's King Felipe VI for following the central government's "catastrophic" policies towards Catalonia.

    And he labelled Spain's government "irresponsible" for not accepting mediation in the political crisis which erupted following the independence referendum at the weekend.

    He said: "This moment calls for mediation. We have received various offers in the last hours and we will receive more.

    "I will repeat it as many times as necessary: dialogue and agreement are part of the political culture of our people.

    "However, the state has not given any positive answer to those offers."


    http://news.sky.com/story/catalan-president-we-will-carry-out-will-of-people-11067291

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    'Why isn’t NATO bombing MADRID’ ex-UK diplomat blasts EU for 'destroying nations'

    A FORMER British diplomat has blasted the EU for bringing the “slow destruction of nation states” – and hit out at the international community’s response to Catalonia’s bid for independence.

    Catalonia independence referendum was met by brutal attacks from Spanish police after the Government in Madrid declared the vote illegal.

    The vote fell resoundingly in favour of independence, with 92 per cent of Catalans who went to the polls supporting splitting from the nation.

    Spain's PM Mariano Rajoy has since said his Government will not negotiate over "anything illegal" or "accept blackmail" from the small Spanish state.

    Now former official for her majesty’s diplomatic services William Mallinson has blamed "the enormous size of the European Union and globalisation”.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/862489/Catalan-independence-Spain-UK-diplomat-EU-referendum-nation-state-globalisation-Kosovo


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    An interesting question indeed relative to what we've seen in the past
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    Spain’s constitutional court suspends independence session of Catalan parliament

    The Spanish Constitutional Court has ordered a suspension of a Catalan parliament session on Monday, at which the local MPs planned to announce the region's unilateral independence from Madrid.

    The court ruling came as a result of a legal challenge by the Catalan Socialist Party, which sees Catalonia as part of Spain and opposes secession from Madrid, according to El Pais.

    Earlier, lawyers for the Catalan regional parliament had also warned that Monday’s session would be illegal due to the referendum it is planning to address, which was outlawed by the Constitutional Court, AP reported.

    Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has again called on Catalan leaders to give up on any unilateral declaration of independence.

    https://www.rt.com/news/405778-spain-suspends-catalonia-independence/

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    Former Catalan leader fears violence on the streets if army sent in

    Artur Mas warns there could be violence on the streets of Catalonia if Madrid suspends the region's autonomy or sends in troops.

    Artur Mas has warned of possible civil unrest if the Spanish government strips the region of its autonomy and sends in the army following the referendum on Catalonian independence.

    The former Catalan president, who was barred from public office for two years after holding a referendum himself in 2014, defended last weekend's vote - saying authorities in Madrid refused to allow a legal and binding referendum.

    Citing the experience in other countries, Mr Mas said: "In Scotland there was the opportunity to vote.

    "In Quebec there was also the possibility to vote - twice.

    "But in Catalonia, the central government in Madrid always says there is nothing to talk about.

    "If you have parliament in Catalonia with an absolute majority of MPs in favour of independence, do you think the response in Madrid has to be 'there is nothing to talk about'?

    http://news.sky.com/story/former-catalan-leader-fears-violence-on-the-streets-if-army-sent-in-11068379

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    Catalan ministers 'outlaws' if they declare independence

    A Spanish minister tells Sky News police action during referendum clashes is "absolutely proportionate".

    Catalan ministers will be "outlaws" if they defy courts and declare independence, the Spanish government has warned.

    Ildefonso Castro, secretary of state for foreign affairs, has insisted a violent police crackdown against Catalan voters was "absolutely proportionate".

    It comes as huge rallies are taking place in both Barcelona and Madrid - in support of both Spanish unity and Catalan autonomy.

     

    In an interview with Sky News, Mr Castro urged Catalan leaders to drop plans for an independence declaration.

    He said: "The most important thing is to be within the frame of the Spanish constitution.

    "You can disagree with the law, but you cannot disobey the law. If you disobey the law, you become an outlaw."


    http://news.sky.com/story/spanish-minister-says-violent-catalonia-vote-crackdown-was-absolutely-proportionate-11070115

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    Catalonia: Violence is another crisis caused by the EU - EXPRESS COMMENT

    THE crisis in Catalonia is yet another sign of a failing European Union.

    Whenever they are confronted with a major challenge, the Brussels bureaucrats bury their heads in the sand.

    When Serbia was bullying its Balkan neighbours in the 1990s, it should have been the EU that confronted the Serbian genocidal tyrant, but it was left to the US and Nato to intervene with decisive military power.

    When the EU encouraged the Ukraine to turn westwards it then failed to stand up to Vladimir Putin as Russian separatists tore the country apart.

    Now the EU fails to strongly condemn the violence during last weekend’s election in Catalonia and is dithering about its status within the EU if it proclaims independence from Spain next week. 

    Across Europe, there are dozens of regions keen to follow Catalonia in their demand for greater freedom. This reveals just how poorly the EU is performing when these people want greater control over their lives at a local level, not “more Europe” as the EU fanatics keep saying.

    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/863414/Catalonia-violence-crisis-caused-European-Union


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    Monday is the big day
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    Huge rallies in Madrid and Barcelona over Catalonia

    Demonstrations are taking place in the Spanish cities - in support of both unity and Catalan autonomy.Thousands of people are attending rival demonstrations - one in Barcelona and the other in Madrid - amid tensions over Catalonia's independence referendum.People in the capital Madrid waved red and yellow Spanish flags in support of unity, while those in Barcelona, the Catalan regional capital, dressed in white to symbolise their desire for talks and a peaceful resolution to the crisis.Some people in Madrid also wore white in support of dialogue.http://news.sky.com/story/huge-rallies-in-madrid-and-barcelona-over-catalonia-11070672

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    Hundreds of thousands rally against Catalan independence in Barcelona

    Hundreds of thousands of people rallied in central Barcelona on Sunday in opposition to any declaration of independence from Spain, waving banners that said “I am Spanish,” “Catalonia is Spain,” and “Together we are stronger.”

    Police said around 350,000 people took to the streets of the Spanish capital, though organizers put the figure closer to 930,000.

    The rally, designed to defend the unity of Spain, was organized by the Catalan Civil Society (SCC) group, with the slogan‘Let’s recover our common sense!’

    “Everyone has the right to say their opinion. [Until] today I had the impression that [people] who were against independence couldn’t speak. Today is a great day when everyone in Catalonia can speak,” a French woman living in Barcelona told RT.

    https://www.rt.com/news/406049-protest-against-catalan-independence/

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    Barcelona mayor warns against Catalonia independence declaration

    With Catalonia's leaders poised to declare independence, more of Spain's biggest firms pull out of the region.

    Barcelona's mayor has said the Catalan referendum is not enough for the region to declare independence from Spain.

    Ada Colau said the results of the vote "can't be a guarantee to proclaim independence but are the opportunity to build dialogue and international mediation".

    She appealed to Spain's prime minister and Catalonia's political leader to "decrease tension on both sides", adding that "now is the time to build bridges".

    The Catalan parliament could declare independence from Spain on Tuesday evening, claiming legitimacy from the 'yes' vote that came from the illegal ballot on 1 October.

    Ms Colau also urged Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy to pull out the extra police that have been drafted in to the northeast region as a "gesture of state responsibility".

    http://news.sky.com/story/barcelona-mayor-warns-against-catalonia-independence-declaration-11074254

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    THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS MADRID TO “TAKE CONTROL” OF CATALONIA IN THE EVENT OF INDEPENDENCE

    If Barcelona proclaims this Tuesday evening independence in Catalonia, the Spanish head of government Mariano Rajoy could trigger section 155 of the Constitution, which authorizes it to “take control” of the region, giving birth to a brand-new storyline.

    The Spanish Constitution adopted in 1978, confers to each of the 17 regions, the autonomous Communities, of powers in health and education, for example.

    Safeguards

    But it has instituted safeguards to allow the central power to intervene directly in the affairs of a region in the event of a crisis. In the case of the crisis in Catalan, the constitutional Court ruled that the “self-determination referendum” October 1, contrary to the Constitution.

    Also read : The anti-independence are fighting back to Barcelona

    The secessionists ensure to have prevailed with 90,18 % of the vote and could still draw the consequences with a ” declaration of independence unilateral “.

    To counter it, the government could have recourse to article 155 of the Constitution. This article ever used allows you to take “the necessary measures to compel it to comply with the said obligations” imposed by the Constitution or other laws, with ” the agreement of the absolute majority in the Senate.”

    The application of article 155 uncertain

    It does not detail the ” measures “, where the uncertainty as to its application. Here’s what experts say constitutional law.

    Section 155 would ” take control of the political bodies and administration of the autonomous Community of a rebel “, explains to the AFP Teresa Freixes, universitat autònoma de Barcelona.

    https://sherbrooktimes.com/the-constitution-allows-madrid-to-take-control-of-catalonia-in-the-event-of-independence/15991

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    Tight security in Barcelona ahead of Catalan independence announcement

    With Catalonia's leaders poised to declare independence, more of Spain's biggest firms pull out of the region.

    Security is tight in a tense Barcelona - with just hours to go until Catalonia possibly declares independence from Spain.

    Police are guarding public buildings and have closed off a park surrounding the regional parliament - amid concerns that an attempt to break away from Madrid could be met with a harsh response from Spanish authorities.

    Catalan president Carles Puigdemont has not revealed the precise message he will deliver at 6pm local time (5pm UK time), but separatist politicians have said they expect a declaration based on the results of the disputed independence referendum on 1 October.

    Ahead of the announcement, Barcelona's mayor said the Catalan referendum is not enough for the region to declare independence from Spain.

    http://news.sky.com/story/barcelona-mayor-warns-against-catalonia-independence-declaration-11074254


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    Catalan leader says he wants independence talks

    Carles Puigdemont says he still wants to push ahead with secession, but calls for a dialogue with Madrid to end the crisis.


    Spanish government spokesman tells AFP news agency: "It's unacceptable to make a tacit declaration of independence to then suspend it in an explicit manner."

    20:07

    Sky's Michelle Clifford, who was in the chamber for the address, says many will Carles Puigdemont's speech tonight as a fudge on independence.

    19:59

    Reaction: Opposition leader in Catalan parliament says Puigdemont's speech "is a coup" and has no support in Europe.

    #puigdemont asks Spanish Govt to listen not just to Catalonia Govt but other voices outside who've called for mediation

    19:40

    Puigdemont says it's worth exploring international mediation.

    #puigdemont compromise tonight. Declares independence but asks parliament to suspend the effects to open dialogue


    http://news.sky.com/story/live-high-security-as-catalan-leader-addresses-regional-parliament-11075181

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    Catalonia referendum: Now Spanish NAVY arrives in Barcelona ahead of historic declaration

    THE Spanish navy has sent three ships from its fleet to Barcelona as the crisis in Catalonia continues.

    The frigate Navarra as well as the minesweepers Segura and Sella docked at Barcelona’s Port Vell earlier today.

    Officially the arrival of the boats is because they are taking part in the Saló Nàutic (Barcelona International Boat Show) which starts on October 11 but the move comes amid heightened tensions in the north east region with the Catalonia President Carles Puigdemont poised to possibly declare independence later today.

    The Spanish navy has previously participated in the International Boat Show for many years, which runs between October 11-15 but the appearance of the F-85 frigate in Barcelona’s Port Vell is likely to raise eyebrows due to the timing of events.

    The Navarra is part of the 41st Escorted Squadron and based in Cadiz, according to Defensa.com.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/864697/Catalonia-referendum-independence-declaration-navy-Navarra-Carles-Puigdemont

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    Catalonia leader vows 'to follow WILL of people' but sparks fury with independence DELAY

    CATALONIA'S regional president Carles Puigdemont has announced he wants to "follow the people's will for Catalonia to become an independent state" in a major speech as the region looks set to break away from Spain – but calls for talks with the government in Madrid.

    With thousands watching outside the Catalan parliament and millions watching across the world, Mr Puigdemont said: "The ballots say Yes to independence this is the will that I want to go forward with.

    "At this historical moment as the president of Catalonia, I want to follow people's will for Catalonia to become an independent state."

    His speech, which was delayed by an hour, was largely focused on the violence during the referendum as the Catalan leader proposed further dialogue with the government in Madrid as the region works towards independence.

    He said: "We propose to suspend the effect of the independence declaration... in order to work towards putting into practice the result of the referendum... Today, we are making a gesture of responsibility in favour of dialogue."

    Early reports suggest there is widespread disappointment among pro-independence supporters, many of whom were hoping the Catalan leader would declare the region independent of Spain.

    Laying out the “consequences” of the referendum, Mr Puigdemont told the assembly: “Today I am here in front of Catalonia and in front of the world.

    Spain made us small, but Catalonia is a European affair."

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/864679/catalonia-independence-spain-catalan-leader-carles-puigdemont-announcement-live-updates

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    Catalonia signs ‘declaration of independence,’ temporarily suspends it for dialogue with Madrid

    The Catalan leader says he "assumes the mandate that Catalonia should become an independent state in the form of a republic." Local leaders signed what they called “a declaration of independence”, suspending it temporarily though to facilitate dialogue with Madrid.

    "Catalonia restores today its full sovereignty," the document titled the "Declaration of the representatives of Catalonia" read, Reuters reported.

    "We call on all states and international organizations to recognize the Catalan republic as an independent and sovereign state," the document signed by Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont and other regional politicians says. However, its legal status remains unclear.

    Puigdemont announced earlier on Tuesday that Catalonia won the right to be an independent state during its recent referendum on the issue, as there was a clear “yes” vote. "It's not a personal decision," but the result of the vote on "self-determination,"he added. It the leader's first speech since the controversial October 1 referendum on the region's independence from Spain.

    https://www.rt.com/news/406281-catalonia-leader-address-parliament-referendum/

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    Catalans ‘a bit disappointed’ by another delay after ‘300 years’ of waiting for independence

    Catalans have expressed mixed feelings over the regional leadership’s failure to steam ahead and unilaterally split from Madrid, after its declaration of independence was immediately placed on hold pending talks with the central government.

    On Tuesday, Catalan regional president Carles Puigdemont accepted “the mandate of the people for Catalonia to become an independent republic” and then promptly asked the Catalan parliament to “suspend the effects of the independence declaration to initiate dialogue [with Madrid] in the coming weeks.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/406314-catalans-disappointed-puigdemont-independence/
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    Spanish government meets for crisis talks after Catalonia declares independence

    Ministers may consider the "nuclear option" - halting Catalonia's autonomy, taking control of the region and sending in police.

    Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy is holding an emergency cabinet meeting this morning as ministers discuss how to respond to Catalan separatists signing an independence declaration.

    In a much anticipated address, the region's leader Carles Puigdemont insisted Catalans had earned the right to independence but said separatists would delay implementing it for several weeks to give dialogue with Madrid a chance.

    But Spain's deputy prime minister Soraya Saenz de Santamaria immediately rejected any notion of talks following a referendum which was deemed illegal, saying Mr Puigdemont "doesn't know where he is, where he is going and with whom he wants to go".

    http://news.sky.com/story/spanish-government-meets-for-crisis-talks-after-catalonia-declares-independence-11075833


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    Spanish government issues fresh threat to Catalan separatists


     Ministers may consider the "nuclear option" - halting Catalonia's autonomy, taking control of the region and sending in police.

    Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has threatened to remove Catalonia's regional autonomy after an emergency cabinet meeting to discuss how to respond to Catalan separatists signing an independence declaration.

    In a televised address, he asked the region's leader Carles Puigdemont to clarify whether independence had already been declared - before the Spanish government decides how to react.

    Mr Puigdemont has insisted Catalans have earned the right to independence but that separatists would delay implementing it for several weeks to give dialogue with Madrid a chance.

    But Spain's deputy prime minister Soraya Saenz de Santamaria immediately rejected any notion of talks following a referendum which was deemed illegal, saying Mr Puigdemont "doesn't know where he is, where he is going and with whom he wants to go".

    http://news.sky.com/story/spanish-government-meets-for-crisis-talks-after-catalonia-declares-independence-11075833

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    I hate this new term "nuclear option"....we need not desensitize people to nuclear bombs by comparing it to: economic measures, political action, ect. 
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    edited October 12
    I hate this new term "nuclear option"....we need not desensitize people to nuclear bombs by comparing it to: economic measures, political action, ect. 
    I suppose it could even cause confusion:

    "We're considering the nuclear option."

    "...did he mean the severest measure, or an actual nuclear weapon? Quick, we better use ours first just in case..."

    (And for those who think that's far fetched, remember that we now have in the world people who command vast destructive arsenals while simultaneously behaving in a belligerent manner and expressing those emotions instantaneously with a few pushes on their smart phone.)
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    Although, Catalonia might might soon look as if the nuclear option had been used if people there, and people outside of there, decide that their own person way is the only way
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    Madrid gives Catalonia’s Puigdemont 8 days to drop independence bid

    Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy on Wednesday gave the Catalonian government eight days to drop an independence bid, Reuters reports. Rajoy could call a snap regional election after activating Article 155 of the constitution that would allow him to sack the regional government of Catalonia. Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont issued a symbolic declaration of independence from Spain on Tuesday night, then immediately suspended it and called for negotiations with the government in Madrid. Puigdemont commented on Madrid’s moves, tweeting late Wednesday that the Catalan government had asked for dialogue. “They answer you by putting [Article] 155 on the table,” Puigdemont said.

    https://www.rt.com/newsline/406450-spain-catalonia-drop-independence/

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    Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont fails to declare independence

    The leader has requested a meeting with Mariano Rajoy, but the Spanish Prime Minister has refused offers of dialogue.

    Catalonia's separatist leader has refused to say whether he has declared independence from Spain.

    Madrid had demanded a definitive statement on independence by 10am on Monday after the controversial referendum on 1 October sparked the country's worst political crisis in a generation.

    But in response, Catalan President Carles Puigdemont wrote a letter to Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy - calling for a meeting "as soon as possible".

    Stopping short of giving a "yes or no" answer, the politician wrote: "Let's not let the situation deteriorate further. With good will, recognising the problem and facing it head on, I am sure we can find the path to a solution."

    Last week, Mr Rajoy had warned that Madrid would suspend Catalonia's autonomy if independence was declared.

    http://news.sky.com/story/catalan-leader-carles-puigdemont-fails-to-declare-independence-11083494

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    Spain sets Thursday deadline for Catalan leader to declare independence after Spanish government refuses calls for dialogue 


    The Spanish government has refused offers of dialogue from Catalonia's leader and demanded a decision on independence by Thursday.

    Catalonia's separatist leader has refused to say whether he has declared independence from Spain, with Madrid calling for a definitive answer by Thursday.

    Spain had demanded a yes or no answer by 10am on Monday after the controversial referendum on 1 October sparked the country's worst political crisis in a generation.

    But in response, Catalan President Carles Puigdemont wrote a letter to Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy - calling for a meeting "as soon as possible".

    http://news.sky.com/story/catalan-leader-carles-puigdemont-fails-to-declare-independence-11083494

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    Spanish High Court orders detention of 2 Catalan separatist leaders under investigation for sedition


    Spain’s High Court has remanded two leaders of a Catalan separatist organization on suspicion of sedition. The prosecution alleges them to be the key figures in organizing the recent independence referendum, which was deemed illegal by Madrid.

    The leader of the Catalan National Assembly (ANC), Jordi Sanchez, and Jordi Cuixart of the Omnium Cultural group were jailed on Monday after questioning.The two men will not be allowed to post bail and remain in custody.The Catalan regional police chief, Maj. Josep Lluis Trapero, and colleague Lt. Teresa Laplana were also questioned on Monday, but unlike the Catalan independence activists they have avoided jail. The police officials, however, were forced to give up their passports and have to appear in court every two weeks.

    https://www.rt.com/news/406903-spain-order-detention-catalan-leaders/

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    Protests planned as Catalan separatists held behind bars

    Two senior pro-independence activists are being detained on sedition charges, with protests breaking out in Barcelona.

    A Spanish court has ordered the leaders of two powerful separatist organisations in Catalonia to be detained - a move that could cause tensions to worsen further.

    Jordi Cuixart and Jordi Sanchez - presidents of the pro-independence groups Omnium Cultural and the Catalan National Assembly - are being kept in jail on sedition charges.

    Protests broke out in Barcelona on Monday as news of their imprisonment spread.

    They are accused of stirring up major demonstrations in the run-up to the controversial independence referendum on 1 October.

    About 40% of 7.5 million Catalans voted in the referendum, with 90% of those backing independence from Spain.

    "The state is playing at provocation," said Catalan government spokesman Jordi Turull after the National Court ruling.

    http://news.sky.com/story/protests-planned-as-catalan-separatists-held-behind-bars-11084663

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